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it's too late for the jellied eels, chris. good day.
i said good day!
I feel that you may have too hastily and infairly dismissed the opinions of 'gamers'
We don't care.
I recognise that there is an issue here, but I don't think that your derogatory dismissal of a serious issue is very fair.
Still don't care!
If you have a moral or political concern with the game "Fat Princess", why not write a post which clearly outlines your issues with Sony, rather than attacking the hundreds of drones who don't even want to engage in this debate on an intellectual level?
a) There's a link to just such a discussion in the original post, which is just one of the reasons you're hilarious.
b) Even if there weren't, do you understand that you don't get to tell Liss (or indeed anyone else) what to do on this personal blog or any other? Imagine! She say just whatever she likes, about just whatever she likes, and she doesn't have to give a shit if you think she's going about it the right way. It's a hoot.
but if you really do have an intellectual bone to pick here, I would like you to read my (relatively short) post on the issue at my blog and tell me what you think.
ONLY PIE. But thanks for playing.
Billy Bob: Your fat, get over it.
You're irrelevant, get to fuck.
*setting out snares and looping troll-net over high limbs on surrounding virtual trees*
*rubbing hands*
heh-heh-heh
thanks for sharing your concern! i hope you feel better now. the rest of us sure do.
Understanding the constitution: Epic fail.
Follow your own advice and don't read opinions you don't agree with. Simple!
Kafka's Metamorphosis? Just a story about a bug dude.
Mrs. Dalloway? Some old lady planning a party.
Beloved? OMG! That's not a classic! Why do we have to read this PC shit? Slavery is over, GET OVER IT IT'S NOT ALL ABOUT YOU!
Chicks love pink, babies and ponies. It drives those feminazis crazy!
Why didn't anybody think of that before? You're on to something dude.
OMG, Carol, you are so right. Thank you for showing us the error of our ways!
Ppl, the childishness must stop! It must! Carol has spoken!
There is no difference, Astraea. We should reach across the aisle. Don't you want Unity?
Translation; I am privileged, ergo, everything should cater to my worldview.
"consider myself very left-leaning and agree with most feminists on most issues.
Translation: I'm a fauxgressive
"Is the idea of saving a princess who is force fed cake to be made heavier and thus more difficult to rescue funny? Not to some, but to me and many others, yes."
Translation: And because we're privileged, that means the first group is wrong.
"I think people should be aloud to play whatever video games they want to, and people should be allowed to create and invent as many new games as they want to without restriction, just as I feel that people should be allowed to bitch about stupid shit on the internet just as much as they want to."
Translation: My strawman, let me show you it. And P.s. I'm a privileged boy!
OHNOES! That would totes be worse than fat children being the targets of ridicule!
I am a college graduate with a degree in Philosophy and Peace & Conflict Studies
And you can't bring yourself to care about the targets of hatred and ridicule more than the people participating in it? Wow, the perspectinve from Mt Privilege really is something, isn't it?
Yeah, Melissa, how dare you use recently-invented words! Shakespeare would never have done such a thing!
You, on the other hand, are sending some seriously mixed messages. You call on this community to shrug this off, and yet you chastise us for not taking organized action. You claim that this issue is not important enough to merit action, then demand to know why we aren't taking action? Which is it? Is it not possible that the general feeling was that this warranted a cultural critque and not an organized protest? Can there not be more options beyond cowed into silence and taking to the streets to demand retribution? Is it not possible that what you are seeing IS the proportionate response to the offending product?
Nintendoll, I am very sorry for you. It looks as though you are trying to deal with your previous assault by "rolling with the flow" and "going along to get along", hoping that if you laugh with all the sexist jokes it will keep anything else bad from happening to you. No one has to fight back, and there's nothing that says that you have any responsibility to fight back, but please don't shit all over the people who are trying to point out all of the insidious invisible things in our culture that add up to an environment in which men think they can commit acts like that and get away with it.
http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2008/07/...
Now, back to the mocking..... because the regulars, the troll slayers, you are truly amazing and witty people.
OVER THERE! THAT'S STARMANCYRUS! NOT CARING A BIT! NO, NARY A JOT NOR TITTLE DOES HE CARE!
Oddly, I am reminded of a pink rubber contraption that used to hang behind the bathroom door in the home of my late and beloved grandmother, Hepzibah Jenkins Grumbles. Can't imagine why, though.
The only comments I see disappearing are the endless chains of paragraph-marks. I do understand that to one of your limited intellectual capacities, those may well seem coherent, and to you, sir, I extend my heartfelt condolences.
Perhaps you could go to your larder or pantry and debate your canned goods instead. The stewed tomatoes may be more than a match for your rhetorical brilliance, but I'll wager that you may be able to fight the green beans to a draw.
So jupiter, your argument is that because other people were rude and insulting instead of talking about the issue at hand, you have to be too?
Matt me lad, you are misunderstanding. There was a post in which Melissa expressed her opinion of this electrical-game thingamabob. That might have been a fine place in which folks could discuss their agreement, or disagreement, with that opinion to their hearts' content.
THIS post is about exposing to ridicule the ill-mannered miscreants who have flocked here in droves to show Melissa that nobody cares about her opinion.
What you are doing, sir, is the equivalent of going into a pie-shop and demanding a jellied eel, because the jellied-eel shop had been closed down after a gang of hooligans had demolished the place. SIR, YOU ARE TOO LATE FOR THE JELLIED EELS. HERE, WE HAVE ONLY PIE.
O.K., meet one of the other people on your side:
I hope this game sells above and beyond, to prove to get no one gives a shit about whining cunts.
I thought that made you postsexual? ;)
*ducks*
Question: Are you Dwight Schrute?
First, our vaginas vote, now our cunts whine. Good heavens, we have talented genitalia!
Quiet down there, I'm trying to read!
I wasn't aware of that.
Dear That_just_happened,
Please to be spending more times taking care of your brain.
Love,
Your body.
Scan your mathematics degree and send it to us. So we know your credible and stuff.
They think 'research' means masturbation.
Uh, okay?
P.S. Good job R_Shackleford
Did you get it out of a Crackerjacks box?
A lot of really noisy gay sex.
Somebody read my brilliant mind.
Translation: "How dare you think your body is your own!!!! Who do you think you are, a MAN?!"
Yeah, all 12 people who own a PS3 are sure to buy it now!
*keeps trying to steer the conversation to a console holy war*
Hmm. We seem to have attracted quite a few Children Left Behind. This is why unfunded mandates don't work, people.
Science: FAIL
Missing the point. Yer doing it.
I would totally buy that game.
I'm not trying to help you; I'm trying to have a fucking flamewar! So put on your asbestos longjohns and let's do it like USENET!
*whisper whisper*
Oh, right, sorry. I forgot, this is the internet we're talking about. There ARE that many immature dolts with the mental capacity of a retarded chihuahua around. My apologies.
Maybe it's just my migraine pills talking, but I'm beginning to suspect that maybe we're in the middle of a video game RIGHT NOW, where the goal is for the gamers to fling as many ridiculous and pointless insults as possible while steadfastly ignoring all traces of logic and intelligence (AND simultaneously ignoring their moms hollering for them to get out of the basement and come help with the dishes).
It's like Troll Tron.
When they should be loathing themselves for completely different reasons. ahem.
No, that's Irish children.
Lack of cultural literacy makes zombie John Swift cry. :(
I'm so confused!
Heh. Oh, Liss, I do love you so.
Actually, I'm pretty sure that these guys don't think, full stop.
That one is way better than the one I was making, lol(z)
Ha!
The funniest part, I think, is that they think they are intimidating. That's about the height of delusional. Personally, I find it highly satisfying to watch bigots proving themsevles to be exactly what I always thought they were - useless, whiny cowards.
God, I'm so witty! How do you people stand being around me without constantly being incapacitated by laughter?
Hang on while I go make some popcorn.
Hey Joe Prey. Thank you for putting the "lol" at the end of your idiotic comment. So we know you're funny and stuff.
I think it kills these boys to know that not only are there women who don't care about the opinions of loser bigots, but that we won't fuck them either. Notice the percentage of comments about sex, or the lack thereof. You know that saying about protesting too much? Well, here ya go!
I'll get the Skittles. Oh, and the cake.
*LOL* awesome. You're married to a man, and have multiple male commenters and contributors, but you hate men! Institutionally, like! Wow. The dumb just keeps on comin'.
Dudez, what makes you think that making fat jokes at my expense is going to bother me, when I called myself a "fat princess" in the original post and posted a picture of myself, where I'm not remotely trying to hide the fact that I'm fat?!
It's just a descriptor. It's like calling me "brunette" and expecting me to get bent out of shape about it.
Wev.
Or that the loss of their ability to see us as sexual objects is something to mourn. LOLOLOLOL!!! OHNOES! I totally wanted a gamerboi to project his fantasies onto my body!
Yes, but we're pussified!
What, no bonbons? Cuz that's all I eat.
Fat lesbo bitches are supposed to be fawningly grateful for the amorous attention of semi-literate gamer trolls, didn't you get the memo?
Srsly. If there's any better proof that bigotry makes you stupid, I don't know it. They don't have the brain cells to come with anything else.
Added to end of post, thanks.
Yeah, don't you see - believing women are human beings is TOTALLY the same thing as the KKK. Don't you see the perfect dumbass bigot logic there? HA!
"what you think all those fine brothers are doing? Getting their fill of white women."
Racists as well. So, are we at trifeca douchebag level yet?
LISS: Why, yes! I am! Thanks for the compliment.
IDIOT: No, I mean you're fat! And you hate men!
LISS: No need to keep flattering me about my size. And I don't hate all men, just the ones who are childish assholes.
IDIOT: Look at my awesome Photoshop! Of you! BECAUSE YOU'RE FAT!
LISS: Way to show me who's an idiot here!
Ahh, and racism, too. Charming.
OMG Astraea, when are you going to learn that that's all you're worth? If you're not providing sexual fodder - for some reject basement dweller or otherwise - you don't actually exist. Silly bint. ;)
OH NOES, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO, ANONYMOUS IS GOING TO COME AND SHIT ALL OVER A COMMENT THREAD, WE HAVE TO CALL OFF FEMINISM BEFORE THEY HURT OUR FEELINGS WITH THEIR AMAZING BRAINS AND SHOOP SKILLZ
seriously, i am worried, people! this is the end of feminism! the xbox live brigade is going to shut us down!
So "women are human beings" is a "bass ackwards ideal" *lol* You bigots are always entertaining. Srsly. I love the knuckle-dragging, barely literate approach your taking to proving Liss completely right about you.
OH, concern trolling and victim blaming. That's pathetic. Try harder.
Translation: I'm stupid.
"I notice no one cares when a fat guy is shown (see half the sitcoms that exist), yet one fat woman leads to this? "
Translation: I don't read this blog and I'm stupid.
I notice no one cares when a fat guy is shown (see half the sitcoms that exist), yet one fat woman leads to this? Pathetic.
o hai. you might want to, like, click on the link in the post. it addresses your dudely concerns. it even talks about fat dudes, who clearly have it SO MUCH WORSE OMG because there are sitcoms in this world.
I know it's pointless to link FA stuff here, but even if it wasn't, I wouldn't want to because I don't want wonderful people like Kate to have to deal with modding comment threads with douches like the ones showing up right now.
What, no bonbons? Cuz that's all I eat.
Wait, wait...I've got a fresh batch of baby flavored donuts just coming out of the fryer and I'm pulling up a chair.
Funny how they have to expend so much effort to insult people who don't exist, isn't it? Don't they have some hentai to watch or something?
GRAMMAR PATROL: It's "you're" as the contraction of "you are," not "your" as in the possessive adjective form.
(Good, now I can write off blogging at work as an educational expense.)
But, thanks for stopping by. Really, your contribution to this conversation was totally completely valuable, and I, for one, am a better person for it.
Amazingly enough, these trolls seem to stupid even for Fark, if that's possible.
Yes.
Baby donuts. Made with babies.
in a way, i'm thankful for the distraction. i'ma play xbox when i get home and not have to deal with tools yelling about 'stupid niggers'! because they'll have contained all their stupid over here!
Yeah, gamerz, your repeated posting of racist/misogynist/fat-hating/generally idiotic dreck is IN NO WAY remotely pathetic.
Translation; My dad listens to Rush Limbaugh.
*riffles through drawer, unlocks door*
Okay folks! Bingo cards! I'm debating between the Fat Hate card and the MRA card. I hate playing two cards when everyone else is only playing with one.
Baby FLAVORED donuts? Don't even try with that stuff. Baby donuts. Made with babies.
But of course. It takes real babies to get the right baby flavor - that synthetic stuff is horrible.
Translation: ALl your opinons are belonging to me! I have a teeny weeny!
"and the whole point of these posts is to outrage gamers,"
Those poor, poor oversensitive cowardly bigots are offended that some people don't like a game that hasn't come out yet! OHHHHH NOOESSSS!!!! Someone call the ACLU!!!!11!!!!11!!!
Oops, I shoulda kept quiet.
... No, wait, it's kind of awesome. I need to get my own bag of popcorn. BRB.
How devious. She's rich. RICH, I tell ya!
What original argument are you talking about? Melissa wrote the original argument and then you dipshits came here with your limp threats and bigotry. And shove your ableism, bigot.
"Just because a bunch of internet retards came in here to baselessly attack you doesn't mean that being fat is something to be indifferent about."
Nonsequitir.
"The only tasteless part is making fun, not the actual topic they're making fun of."
$10 says keyrat is a young white male. Who'll take that bet?
You illiterate fool, Hook's nemesis is an alligator, not a whale.
Better trolls please.
Fat women, f. lynd. The more women who dare to be fat, the less masturbatory material exists in this world, and that is a crisis that rivals OMG GLOBAL WARMING! Please, won't you think of the wankers!?!?!?
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And probably carcinogenic. Only real babies are healthy, and if you do anything remotely unhealthy you deserve the scorn and hatred of gamerboiz who sit around for hours playing with their weenies-- I mean games, eating cheetos and drinking mountain dew. Cuz that's how you stay skinny. (that is, have average teenage boy metabolism).
Because you're a dumb bigot. We got that. No need to keep telling us.
___
"Please, won't you think of the wankers!?!?!?"
What, misogynistic internet porn doesn't do it anymore? ;)
So is being willfully stupid, yet people do it all the time, and thanks for proving the point.
They're making it too damned easy!
Carolyn FTW!
I notice that lots of assholes read one post and think they know what's in almost four years of archives.
You almost couldn't make yourself look stupider than by accusing me of not caring about that issue. I've literally written dozens of posts on it.
Oh., that's a winner. *1st place ribbon for PD*
Global warming doesn't exist, of course, so the fat's all we have to worry about from now on. THANK YOU JESUS. I surely can't worry about more than one thing at once.
But don't trust my judgment. I did wake up this morning and choose to be fat.
Victorian zombie John Swift. Heh!
I thought fat people were responsible for global warming? They were a month ago, anyway. It's kind of hard to keep up with the rapid evolution of their magic destructo-powers. LOL.
This is an insult? Seriously?
Personally I'd be offended if they did find me attractive ... I'd start thinking something was wrong.
If you wanted to hear that, you'd read the fucking blog. You don't want to hear anything but yourself and your giddy idiot gamer friends spouting off.
Translation: If only you were NICE, I'd listen to you. My support is conditional on you kissing my ass. Aren't I such a friend!
Excuse me, troll, question for you - why do you think we want to win you over?
Wow. How deep.
^_^ Ooh! Ooh! I choose "drawn-out flamewars where the goalposts have been moved so many times no one remembers or cares what the original argument was about!"
Er, wouldn't that then just make MORE fat people? These people that you hate so much?
Methinks there might be a smidge of a flaw in your plan.
Srsly, this is highly amusing. And I have fresh blueberry pie. They were all out of baby donuts.
A female what?
Meat is murder! And you're not very bright! LOLZ.
Hey, Liss, I just thought of something. Have you ever considered diet and exercise? ;)
i don't like it when grubby little wankstains take time out of their busy TF2 gaming schedules to spend an entire day calling someone a fat ugly bitch. but i guess that's just my opinion, and it will never *really* be wrong to be an ignorant asshole.
liss had an opinion of the game that >9000 sony fanboys disagree with. does she get that same luxury of Never Being Wrong?
We get it. You're a dumb bigot. Please stop repeatedly showing us that fact. We. get. it.
"I you willingly abuse your body or health, you shouldn't be surprised if someone speaks out against it."
And you shouldn't be surprised when that person tells you you're a dumb bigot who apparently is arrogant enough to think her opinions actually matter to anyone but herself.
IF YOU REALLY CARED ABOUT WOMEN YOU'D CALL IT HUMANISM AND SINCE THIS POST WASN'T ABOUT KING OF QUEENS OBVIOUSLY YOU HATE MEN!!!!
If you read this exchange and come out of it thinking the Shakers are the ones being off-putting, you have some serious problems that go beyond our abilities to address.
uh. but you DO have the time to troll a blog with a post about a game that doesn't even exist yet, a post that you found while wasting your time reading blogs about videogames?
teh winnar si yuo, bucky.
Translation: I didn't read the blog OR the post.
"It's a fucking video game, are you going to complain anytime they have girls in videogames?"
Translation: I'm dumb.
"If they're not fat, they're too sexy, if they're ugly, than their womanizing"
Translation: I'm sexist, dumb and didn't read the blog or the post.
I'd first contend that "not as negative as portrayed" and "not negative at all" is not a meaningful distinction. Very little can be shown to be not negative at all. Are you a man? You have health or mortality risks that rival fat people. Which isn't to say we me are doomed. Its just that it would be gaming the system to expect something to have no negatives. Being thin or even "average" weight has been shown to have plenty of negatives. The issue is that we only focus on the negative issues with fat people. They are both exaggerated on their own, but also in contrast to the ignorance of health risks attached to other forms of being a living human being.
But if you do want to see that argument, its out there. There are dozens of blogs discussing fat acceptance that I have no doubt you could easily find if you really did want to hear their position over hundreds and thousands of posts on the subject. Have you tried looking, or are you simply happier ignoring it and then denying its existence?
If you willingly abuse other people for things that are none of your goddamned business, you shouldn't be surprised when you're mocked from pole to pole.
That's another winner *1st place ribbon to Sarah in Chicago*
A) "I you willingly abuse..." Dr. Freud, call your service.
B) The only surprise is that someone hasn't kicked the ever-lovin' shit out of you if you "speak out against it."
Well, you know, we have to do it that way, since we're all so fat that we can't reach our arms around to pat ourselves on the back. Has to be a circle.
:)
My god, if only I had the time to scour the Internet for blogs that expressed opinions different from mine so that I could leave childish comments there! And if only I had the time to make badly-done Photoshops mocking a stranger who has a different opinion than mine!
I mean, my husband irons his own shirts and all, but even so I've got other things to do.
Sigh. Saying "PERIOD" over and over again doesn't make you right in the absence of actually being right.
Ah yes, someone who espouses views totally contrary to the cause of equality is someone we totally want to have telling us what we should be doing to support our cause of equality.
Yeah, that TOTALLY works.
Not.
Logic: this may not mean what you seem to think it means.
Hank, you're doing logic absolutely wrong. That genetic predisposition? Is why fat people metabolize food differently than thin people.
Oh, wait, I'm trying to talk rationally to a body-hating bigot. Never mind!
Oh my God, Betty! LISTEN TO THE ADVICE SO GENEROUSLY METED TO YOU BY THE PENIS-BEARER! It will help keep you from alienating all of these lovely allies who are showing up.
God, this thread is funny.
Translation: I speak about that which I have no clue about. A lot.
"She who fights with monsters might take care lest she thereby become a monster.
Tactics like this are neither clever nor help support your cause."
I know you're dumb and don't understand the theory behind such statements, so you might want to not judge them from your position of privileged ignorance. It makes you look dumb.
Spare us all your male privilege bullshit.
CE, this is officially the best insult ever. You win an Internet Tradition.
esme: i still have a gamecube! it is awesome! they can be had pretty cheaply these days, actually. so can dreamcasts!
...You cannot be fer serious. No one is that far up their own ass. Hee hee "anti-gamer bigotry."
Hank, you're my new favoritest troll!
I know! I'm totally going to destroy feminism, the country and The WOrld if I don't start listening to dumbass bigots on the web!
___
"I've been called a bigot while my questions and arguments are ignored"
YOu have no argument that isn't routed in bigotry, ergo, you have no argument. Your questions are dishonest, at best. You fail.
Made of wrong.
As long as you're wank fodder. Oooh! so many options!
"and you STILL have to complain about something as trivial as this?"
Translation: We stopped spitting in your face as we stomp on your neck. What more do you selfish bitchez want?
"Really, what's so bad about it? You eat, you get fat. It's a good message"
Translation: Yes, I'm YET ANOTHER dumbass bigot.
Hank, did you think that through before you posted, or was the urge to click just too overwhelming?
Because you're saying "some fat people are fat through genetics, but it's still their fault for eating."
Sorry, not reading comments. Saw the trigger warning and, frankly, I know enough assholes already. Met my quota for the month.
I did get to read some of Hank's comments and I wonder who let him out of his cage today? Does it hurt to be such a pathetic loser? Tell me, O wise Hank, because UR Doin' it Rite. And often.
I look forward to the day Hank gets thyroid disease.
*blushes* Why, thank you! I'll have to think about my prize.
No one wants to "think of the children?" Pleeeeeeeease?
yeah? maybe you can suggest some fucking tactics then, pally, cos being sweet and gentle? provokes THE SAME FUCKING RESPONSE. seriously. many people here have been trying it all their lives, since, being female, they haven't had the fucking choice. if you'd ever spent fifteen minutes of your life being threatened, insulted and menaced by some douche for having the temerity to ride a fucking public bus while having tits, perhaps you'd catch on just a bit quicker.
here
here
OMG RLY?????? i can has disproportionate biologically-impossible tits and feel like a sexy sex object that basement-dwelling wankboys want to raep?
Translation: I don't read this blog, but that won't stop me from making baseless judgments about the content. I'm just that dumb.
"Incidentally my suggestion was only that an outsider who stumbled upon this might look at the comments and think it was awfully hostile."
If said outsider isn't smart enough to pursue the archives and FAQ, why on earth would their opinions matter? Thinking is fundamental!
"With all pretence of being at all polite pushed aside everything said just comes across as pathetic anger bread of a dissatisfied life."
*LOL* I love the insistance that, if someone objects to bigotry, they must have a "dissatisfied life". Because, you know, that couldn't possibly be true for those who invaded this blog, clueless, and ranting bigotry.
:) Hi-lar-i-ous!
OMG, in 2008 they treat us like we MIGHT actually exist, but only if we behave like proper little girls and women and buy those pretty pink things andstay nice and thin and straight and are willing to play female characters that flatter gamerboiz' egos. Pardon me while I go celebrate.
Actually, some fat people do. Not magically so, but yes, some biologies flush calories more easily out of the system without processing them. Some biologies take way more calories to do physical activity than others. Some biologies store fat more easily than others.
But hey, don't let reality and science stop you: onward!
WHAT ABOUT TEH MENZ???!?!?11!
Well, Hank, you see, there's this magical thing called Google...
Yeah, Betty. Why do you want to keep women from working? Dude, you must be, like, such a hypocrite and stuff!
I must confess, I secretly love the Troll Threads. They are so full of lolz.
I missed this one first time round, CE. THE POOR THING. *howls*
So, have you tried exposing yourself to fat acceptance yet, or are you still happier thinking your arguments are unrefuted. Or do you just enjoy bringing up issues only tangentially related to a discussion and demanding people respond to them and ignoring them when they point out that its already been discussed countless times and suggest you check that out rather than change the subject here?
Such generosity!
But the female characters in most of these games have the same "shape and form" - skinny, tall, huge breasts - and wear the same outfit - skimpy - so it's more a pat on the head than an option.
YOUR: Indicating that something belongs to you. "Kindly pick up your toys and get the fuck out of here."
YOU'RE: A contraction for "you are." "You're a complete embarrassment to the human race."
Contrary to what you obviously believe, these words are not interchangeable. If you need flashcards, I'll make them for you.
Carry on.
Where are the trolls coming from? Is there a leak out of the Dungeon Dimension again?
Yeah, but it's the specific cases that make up the "general trend." See the problem?
Spudsy, ILU for this.
So that makes it okay? Get real.
"How are we stomping on your neck?"
Paging Mr. Male Privilege, please pick up the white courtesy phone.
"It's also pretty funny that you assume it's all made by men. Way to promote women in the workplace. "
*LOL* wow. that's a whole new level of dumb. So, let me get this straight - in an industry that's predominately male, WE'RE at fault for there not being more women.
"You just resort to calling people names if they make a point countering yours? That really doesn't make me sound like the dumbass."
Okay, you're a simpleton. I'll try to explain it using small words. Your post contained both stupidity and bigotry, so I called it such. You're being a dumbass bigot is not my fault.
But hey, don't let reality and science stop you: onward!
And, alas, not upward.
You'd think they would have caught a clue by now. Oh well.
fatness is never something to be celebrated. While I don't think making fun of people for the poor condition of their bodies is at all effective at helping the person who needs it,
Psst, Cory - your oxymoron is showing!
In this economy? It's a hellishly smart survival strategy if you can manage it -- store up the calories now while you can.
You seem to be confusing "debate and discussion" with "mockery". Betty is mocking, not debating. Nobody here wants to debate you, because we can't be bothered.
Goodness, you suck at translations. YOu should probably learn what the hell the topic is before trying to debate it, huh. Reading is also fundamental.
Oooh, BURN! You just called Melissa FAT! That's so clever and original! I bet she's never heard it before! You really pwned her, didn't you?!
Who the fuck let all the Cat Piss Men out of their parents' basements?
GRAMMAR PATROL: It's "you're" as the contraction of "you are," not "your" as in the possessive adjective form.
LOL, Just saw this after writing my comment, Bobby. That is my BIGGEST pet peeve. If I were an English teacher, my head would have exploded years ago.
I love Carolyn.
Thank you. I love that these morons think they could debate these topics. Please. You'd have to extracte your head from your ass first.
Of course I'm mocking them. And I thoroughly enjoy mocking them.
Terminal stoopid. A sad and largely incurable condition.
Know what's really hilarious? Aside from your general idiocy and illiteracy, that is.
The fact that you think Liss would be insulted by someone calling her fat. She loves her body and couldn't care less what you think of it.
Doesn't that just burn you up?
It looks more like an open portal from the Elemental Plain of Stupid.
Mmmmmm, Pathetic Anger Bread......
Translation: I am terrified of women.
Paul, I was an English teacher, and I looked at that kind of thing as job security.
Lubbock, Texas?
It's just KILLING them, JP.
Seriously, Melissa writes a post saying that the game idea is dumb, and some people actually take time to make crappy Photoshop renditions of her as (OH NOES NOT THE DREADED!) fat (see the fat princess). Or the Joker thing, which I guess I'm just not quite bright enough to get. Anyway, she puts some of this on the blog, and suddenly there is one metric fuckton of idiots who feel the need to come to a blog they DON'T READ to tell her that she's fat, and that's unhealthy, and besides, you can always play as the skinny, big boobed character if you want to play a woman in games.
Their very presence shows their absolute devotion to the patriarchy. No one can question it, lest it damage their world view of them as some kind of superior group. If you question it, clearly you're a fat lesbian gay man who hates men and is unhealthy.
That's a wonderful side for my Schadenfreude Pie!
Yeah! I bet she feels REALLY BADLY ABOUT HERSELF now, amirite? Huh? Huh?
In other news...Spudsy, you're GAY! HAHAHA! Feel the burn!
Well, of course. They invite mockery. It would be rude to refuse them.
lol Paul ... personally, mine is its/it's ... I actually have a whole section on this when I teach writing to undergrads.
Course, I gave up on that one in this thread ...
That's simply not true and I actually think you know that.
"I am a stinky poopoo head! Be awed by my wit!"
That's the other reason I love the troll threads. :)
most of what you typed was a bit pretentious
I always think it's funny when dumb people use the word "pretentious" when what they actually mean is "over my head, because I'm an idiot."
That's right, I just filled the "why do you assume I'm thin" space!
BINGO! FOR ME! WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Well, that one does actually bother me Esme ... for a start, the Ledger's Joker got the smile through having his cheeks sliced open, and second, the "why so serious?" line was used by him just before he would slice and kill victims.
It's borderline a threat of (minimum) assault.
But don't try to explain the connection between violence and US constructions of masculinity to them, they might pop a neurone.
You could really use some classes in sociology and media literacy. Of course, you could also use some basic intelligence, too. So I won't be holding my breath for either to happen.
Ooh, that sounds emphatic. Can't you feel your self-esteem plummeting as random trolls come by to tell you how unattractive you are? How will you ever get a man, Liss?
Uh, ya think so, genius? Do you think that maybe that's why we're doing to back to them?
" (seems to be working even though you are trying to be complacent, but you're insults are very telling)."
Translation: even though you're obviously enjoying yourselves, you're women, and therefore I will judge you to be HYSTERICAL! BITTER! ANGRY!, etc. because I'm a dumbass sexist looking to shame women for giving as good as they get.
"Sorry, but most of what you typed was a bit pretentious and theres a whole lot of 'holier than though' BS amongst it IMO."
These trolls are incredibly self-righteous and full of bullshit.
Okay, that thing you're doing with the whole taking your own experience and then generalising it to the whole? (oh, apologies, 99.9%) Not so much with the being scientifically valid.
Nice impersonation of Stephen Colbert's "I don't see race" routine, though. Spot on.
nailerr, darling, don't you get it? We don't give a shit if you don't like us. We don't need to win you over, because we don't need your approval to live our lives!
Doesn't that just bug the hell out of you?
Thank you, I aim to please my delicious feminist buds. I love it when other people do it too. *hint hint*
"They invite mockery. It would be rude to refuse them."
You know me, MB. Polite to the gills. HA!
That said, you appear not to be a troll, so I'll try to point you in the right direction.
There's tons of stuff out there telling you how bad it is to be fat. But when you look closely at it, most of it is bank rolled by people making tons and tons of money by selling diets. Also lot of the time you'll read a headline that's like, "Study shows that being fat is going to make you drop dead!" but if you actually read the data from the study that's not what it proved at all. Junkfood Science is a great blog that is all about this. There are no comments there, so I'll mention it by name.
Again, I'm not the expert and you really should look up Fat Acceptance blogs.
This specific post is about fat people being picked on, but if you stuck around here you'd find that the bloggers here stick up for disadvantaged groups of all kinds. We aren't down with picking on people who aren't being gigantic assholes and hurting other people.
Yeah, that and a pony and your own room that you can call the "Man Cave."
I think my head just exploded.
Anyone know how many Weight Watchers points in a baby donut?
ElleDee, I think you spoke to soon about keyrat not being a troll...
The air must be pretty thin up there on the top of Mount Privilege, I presume. It certainly explains your delirium.
This? Classic.
"OMG Racism is like SO TOTALLY AWESOME DUDEZ!! But I'm like so not celebrating that!!"
People that like racist jokes? We have a name for them: racists.
Yeah, you know, somehow I'm not going to be taking social and media analysis "teaching" from you.
THAT's your biggest wish? World peace is chopped liver?
Truly. I'm going to be using that particular gem a lot. It's...mind-blowing.
Graham, do you have any idea how many calories there are in chopped liver??
We haven't even hit the queer-bashing yet! Granted, we have another few dozen comments to go before we get there, but still.
Sorry the concern troll quota has been met for this week. Apply again next week!
"You are just making yourself notorious like the women who said that Resident Evil 5 was spreading hate against africans."
Translation: Shut up and put up like a good girl!
"Games are by any means not a hate spreading medium. Their world is not to be taken seriously, and only there for your leisure and laugh."
Especially when it lets you kill hookers! Whooo! Nothing hateful being spread there, nosiree!
Dude, your privilege smells like rotten eggs. Grody.
"And most men like fat jokes (atleast, I do), just as much as I like racist jokes or jokes about the Second World War."
Just because YOU'RE a douchebag bigot, doesn't mean "most men" are. Why do you hate men so much?
"I cannot see how you can ever this game as hatefull."
Translation: My privileged blindness makes me right about everything!
"I can see you find it harming, I can see it's not your taste of a videogame, but you need to learn not to take this kind of stuff seriously."
Translation: Put up and shup up like a good girl!
" Being insulted by this kind of small funny things is in most cases just a lack of self-esteem."
Translation: Don't make me feel bad about being a douchebag bigot!
"it's not, I'd like to ask to you to not take it seriously. "
And I have every right to demand this, because I have a teeny weeny.
"Gamers who buy games with racism (you could even mark Call of Duty 4 racist) are not racists. They just like racist jokes. "
Which makes them racists, but you know, don't make them feel bad about that! That's wrong!
"And most of them (Although the ammount of trolls you have had say the contrary =P ) will use those jokes politely."
They're be POLITE about their bigotry! What more do you selfish bitchez want?
Obviously. There's no LOLZ in world peace.
Please provide a direct quote. Because, obviously, you didn't read either post.
You're taking what 99.9% of the earth refers to as a 'game' and making it out to be a direct assault on your personal life... you're taking things way too seriously. As much as most of these posters need to grow up, I think you need a bit of that too.
And you and your (pathetic, worthless cronies) are taking what 99.9% of the earth refers to as a "cultural critique" and making it out to be a direct assault on your personal life. Grow the fuck up already, wankstain.
Oh, I don't deny it. Overweight people in popular culture do get the short end of the stick, and there's definitely huge industry out there trying to convince people that any shred of fat is to be hated and cast aside.
Anyway, I do see your point as a valid one. I just wanted to give some alternate opinion on making jokes; doesn't matter who they're made about.
@Stu
You're right. I really just wanted to make fun of you. You figured me out. The truth is I read Sue on first glance and the reply box is way further down than the post, so I just went on what I thought it was. You really think I would post such a serious reply only to make sure you'd dismiss it entirely because I made fun of you?
Seriously?
Paul, tell me that's you sockpuppeting for laughs. Please.
Complete. Honestly, I think that line has to win troll comment of the day.
Translation: Why won't you love me, Liss, WHY!!!!!111!!1
The day? It should be its own Internet Tradition!
I think someone is taunting you there, Paul :)
Best thing I've ever heard in my lie. So scary!
"Your fat" what? GRAMMAR ALERT: There's a pair of adjectives looking for an object to modify.
Sorry, I can't hear you! I'm having too much gay gay gay sex with other men!
LOLZ. Clearly someone never actually saw the comments, or is functionally illiterate.
The past tense of "breed" is "bred". On the other hand, "anger bread" sounds like what a great many posters have been noshing.
Couldn't help it. Had to come back. BWAHHHHH!!! LMAO! OMFSM!!!!! Can't breathe. Too full of baby donuts!!! Ah hahahahahaha!!!!
I don't believe this crap - I do a few hours worth of work and then come by my favorite blog for a leisurely afternoon's goofing off, and all hell's broken loose.
Not having much experience with trolls, I have to say I'm a little disappointed with all of the "nyah nyah yer fat, fattie" comments. How lame and uninspired. How pointless and stupid. Why troll here of all places, where we're only going to make fun of them? Why not take it over to Little Green Footballz or wherever the hell those people congregate, and then they can rip us a good ol' new one with plenty of "dyke", "commie", "terrorist", and "pinko librul queers" comments?
And this one is my favorite: "...the whole point of these posts is to outrage gamers, stir up controversy, and get more hits for your site so that you can make more money off your sidebar advertising. Congrats on successfully exploiting a small but web-savvy demographic in order to promote your website and rake in the dough." Yeah, congrats, Liss!! I totally heart making $$ of the stupid fuckers!!! Way to go!! Maybe this will get you more hits - GAMERS ARE STUPID TWATS. FRIG OFF, YOU USELESS GITS.
PS - I love Pathetic Anger Bread... and I got laid this morning. By a man, with a penis. WHO MAKES LOTS OF MONEY AND IS ALSO KIND OF FAT LIKE ME, SO SUCK IT LONG AND HARD, SAD LOSER TROLLS!!!!
Then it's against them. Which is kinda the point.
Technically, I was making fun of their penis size insecurities. Do try to keep up.
Mocking people who choose not to use their functional brains is like cleansing something with fire.
OMG, a CONCERN TROLL!! Wow, how incredibly original ... it's not like we've had three million or so of them on this thread.
I love how the troll went through the whole thread and the comment he had to make was on penis size.
I think we need an IV line stat for Mr Freud.
Translation: You hurt my feefees!
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"he fact that you deleted all the comments that criticized your ideas in your previous posting makes me completely lose all respect for any thought that you have. "
So, because she got rid off all the "your a fat lesbo bitch" comments, you lost respect for HER. YOu do realize it's obvious to all of us that you're mad your comments got deleted, right?
LOLOLOLOL!!! I'm sure she's crying now.
"lol your fat" is pretty much the highest quality "criticism" thbat appeared on the other thread. I'd like to hear how you think that is worth keeping. I could use a few more laughs.
Wow. Gay sex must get really noisy. I totally never knew that.
You're right. he's a flagrant fat-woman hater who also uses eliminationist language ("real people laugh" at feminists who object to Fat Princess, ergo feminists who object to Fat Princess are not even real people) and uses "retarded" as an insult, as well, illustrating he's also an ablist shithead.
I did him a fucking favor not quoting the whole thing.
Translation: My dad listens to Rush Limbaugh when he drives me to school.
"Whine about something more relevant, lest the rest of rational society die of an embolism from laughing so hard at your ilk."
Translation: I decide what's relevant, not you! Because I'm the king of the internetzzzzz!
Um, Bioautographical? Do you see that this is a blog with many, many posts each day, the majority of which are about much more important issues?
LOLZ. Reading is fundamental. Honestly. I started with Dr. Seuss, and so can you!
Only if you're doing it right, Graham. Only if you're doing it right :)
Translation: I am terrified of women.
Oh c'mon. Give me something new to work with.
translation: the menz have given you leetle girls so much already! how dare you ask for respect in all arenas on top of that!
Translation: I decide what's relevant, not you! Because I'm the king of the internetzzzzz!
No, no, Betty. She's the fat, self-loathing misogynist QUEEN of the internets, who is here to school Liss on proper time management.
I you willingly abuse your body or health, you shouldn't be surprised if someone speaks out against it.<\i>
And why would that be? What the hell business of yours is it what someone else does with their body?
Totally beyond that - I'm short and roundish, OMG! how horrible. I'll have to scold my mother, who is short and roundish, and my gransmother who is short and roundish for not teaching me to starve myself and develop exercise bulimia like a normal, healthy person.
Big props to the deletion gang on duty.
See what you're missing?
yes, why the fuck are we focusing on all the hatred when obviously profanity is what we should be concerned w/?
When will they learn that there is no right to free speech in someone else's space?
except so why then have we been besieged for the past DAY by a bunch of dudes all lashing out because they've been mocked for being stupid, or nerdy, or scrawny? couldn't they maybe try to apply some fucking empathy first? it's not like they'd be mocked if they weren't here up in our faces screaming FAT STUPID BITCHES YOU'RE FAT AND STUPID AND UNFUCKABLE FAT UGLY STUPID FUCKING BITCHES for hours on end, you know?
this is an accepting blog, broadly, shit like that really isn't tolerated. shit like that fucking THRIVES in gaming forums, and in gaming communities, and all over the rest of the damn internet, but it simply doesn't happen here. so pardon me for not being polite and considering the delicate feelings of the gamers who spend 15 hours a day making jokes about raping bitches and killing niggers and jews and fags. i know full well that not ALL gamers do that, but you know what? A LOT of them do, and NO ONE fucking calls them out on it. ever. not on any community i've seen. because it DOES NOT FUCKING WORK. instead of gaining insight from their exclusion and marginalisation in society and making connections between shitty jokes and shabby treatment they recieve just by being who they are, and having some fucking empathy for other people treated the same way in society, they shit all over those other marginalised people ANY WAY THEY FUCKING CAN, because they want to cop some pathetic little power buzz in the only way they know how. so fuck them.
*bad joke warning*
OMG, the Battle ROYAL!!
My money is on Queen Cunt of Fuck Mountain.
Huh? Ugly women in video games are womanizing? Or they're more ugly than the womanizing they somehow belong to? Can anyone translate this sublime piece of illiterate nonsense?
$10 more dollars says "MAtt" is a white male. Any takers?
You people here sure look pretty sexist in your immature responses to Trolly McTrollersons.
again i ask: what should we fucking do instead, then?
Trade you for a bitterness muffin sprinkled with tears of frustration?
I think that's a fine plan. I'm a little confused about why you feel like writing a blog post about how you think something is stupid is any different--it's not like anyone here is advocating some kind of action against Sony.
Liss was just writing a blog post about a game she thought was stupid and hateful and not worth buying. Other people have written blog posts, I'm sure, about how they thought the game was great and fun and worth buying.
Isn't that how things are supposed to work? People expressing their opinions about products offered for sale in the marketplace?
That one I can *almost* excuse... well, at least it doesn't make me want to destroy things, because to me it's *almost* an honest mistake. The you're/your thing just makes me insane, probably because it seems SO OBVIOUS AND THEY'RE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT WORDS... ARRGH.
There, I've gone and broken my chair.
You're taking what 99.9% of the earth refers to as a 'game' and making it out to be a direct assault on your personal life
And you're taking one person's opinion on one game and making it out to be a direct assault on your personal life. Displacement much?
Talk amongst yourselves. Mamma's gotta get herself some more popcorn. (Just LOADED with BUTTER and SALT and FAT!)
If all the trolls start rallying behind another troll, who uses codeword "Hitler," that's me.
do you honestly NOT SEE how they are related? seriously? is it just too big a leap to make?
Seriously. They're really failing to deliver, though most of them are bringing Teh Funny.
I love how the troll went through the whole thread and the comment he had to make was on penis size.
It's hilarious when they get obsessive about it, isn't it?
It's okay Paul. After all, you're having noisy noisy gay sex, remember?
I think this campaign season has taught us that misogynstic/racist/homophobis/ableist/etc bullies reside on both sides of the aisle.
Thank you for missing the entire POINT of this thread.
We have a lovely parting gift for you though.
You are definitely sexist, but I really don't care what your gentials look like. Sorry.
"Thank you for picking out specific parts of my post and effectively ignoring the rest."
You're right - obviously if I don't responded to every word of your inane bigot babbling, then clearly, I'm wrong.
"Straight out of the "Frothing Hysterical Torch-Wielders' Handbook to Frothing Hysterical Torch-Wielding"."
We get it. You're a really angry sexist troll. And?
"Mmmmmm, Pathetic Anger Bread...... Nom, nom, nom.
Although, you have to note that libertarianism really does seem to attract the incredibly immature selfish ones.
I was going to respond to some of the "but TEH FATZ is unhealthy! They did it to themselves! It's nothing to be celebrated! THEY'RE ALL GOING TO DIE!!!11!!11!" stuff, but frankly, these folks respond to see their oh so witty words in print, not to learn anything.
The only self-identified libertarians I've met in person were almost too solipsist to function.
Well, it does if you're doing it right.
Try to visualize a day with tiny fingers and other miniscule appendages next time
Stop using logic on the trolls. It confuses them.
I still kind of giggle about that in retrospect.
I'll try to find the sites with all the bingo cards in a bit
*nods* Same here Gogol (although I'm not a gamer ... definitely a geek though).
I love all these trolls presuppositions that because you don't like this, that must mean you're fat. Just because I'm white doesn't make me love racism. Just because I am cisgendered doesn't mean I'm not disgusted with transphobia.
Those that are defending this game should really question themselves why they feel the necessity to defend it.
Oh, yeah. Imma fatty and I can't do anything but slurp shakes and read the internets.
Too true. I look at comments like this and cannot tell the difference between these gamer trolls and the RonPaulBots and Obamabots that have previously destroyed other threads.
Well, it really does seem to come down to those "miniscule appendages" with you people, doesn't it?
You know what, i hadn't considered that. But, you're right.
Actually, it gives them the status effect "berserk," so all they can do is flail around mindlessly while frothing at the mouth.
http://bp2.blogger.com/_48Esqp78JNQ/RnKw6nE8LGI...
Not in linkie form, because Ledasmom is incompetent at HTML.
They're all like: OMG, my subculture has been attacked by the dominant paradigm! Fat people rule the world! Just look at wall-e!
When they should be like, since the above is not true at all: This is a type of criticism I have not encountered before. Is it, maybe, like, accurate?
But that's more self-examination than most people do on a daily basis. It would require them to accept that there are aspects of their thing they love that suck, and acknowledge that they've gleefully enjoyed things that are mean to people in the past without being aware of it. They'd have to feel shame for previous faults, and nobody likes shame.
What they need is the cafeteria approach to Catholicism. It's like accepting that there's racism in old movies, or that there is sexism in Shakespeare, and appreciating the works for the art they are. It works well stuff done in the past, like the Crusades or Holiday Inn or The Taming of the Shrew. When we look at that type of thing we can all sigh and say, "They didn't know any better."
But for things being done now, how else are the creators to know better unless they're told, "Hey, asshole - you are doing things that are offensive. And you didn't even think twice about it. Next time, think. I mean this in a constructive way, and may even admire some of your other accomplishments, you giant douchebag."
Well, it does if you're doing it right.
Damn, everyone already stole my joke! Damn you ,slow internetz!
I call it Ayn Rand Syndrome - or ARSe.
*lol* cue the self-parodying "you're sexists!" posts in 3 . .. 2. .. 1. ..
but how do you tell the difference? i hope they change colour, or there's like a little sprite above their heads, or something.
Internal university broadband fatpipe ... it is teh shitz :)
You are not aware of all internet traditions.
that's what you get for using a steam-powered computer.
It might also require them to become vaguely cognizant of the fact that the fat lesbo bitch who wrote the post in the first place...
...is a gamer.
*gasp*
Good point.
Grumbles sold it to me.
no Pathetic Anger Bread for you!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
*gasps*
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL -- deep breath -- LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!
EvoPsych Bingo (http://punkassblog.com/2007/10/25/evolutionary-...)
Fat hate Bingo 1 (http://red3.blogspot.com/2007/06/fat-hate-bingo...) and 2 (http://red3.blogspot.com/2007/06/fat-hate-bingo...)
Antifeminist bingo (http://viv.id.au/blog/?p=431)
MRA Bingo (http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y213/_visualef...)
Rape apologist bingo (http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i281/Midnight...)
Ooo, a new one for me: White Liberal Bingo (http://i-dreamed-i-was.livejournal.com/6105.html)
Libertarian bingo (http://punkassblog.com/2007/07/05/libertarian-t...)
And, an appropriate one for all the guys who assume we're not huge nerds, Girls Don't Like Comics Bingo (http://girl-wonder.org/girlsreadcomics/?p=66)
Oh look, yet another MRA sockpuppeting as a woman. Is there an MRA bingo card with that one?
O RLY? you must be new.
You want to know what is scary though? I'm running two Macs side by side on their own connections, one with work (lecture for tomorrow), the other with this fun stuff ...
Not to mention free aircon :)
Squirrels though ... well, yes, but that's what I have the nerf-gun for ... well, them and the students.
Now lookie there -- I've peed my undies laughing.
STOP BEING SO FUCKING HILARIOUS!! I HAVE WORK TO DOOOOOOOO!!!!!
(Seriously, can we have that one bronzed on a plaque, please?)
the internet is coming for us! because we ruined women!
http://red3.blogspot.com/2007/06/fat-hate-bingo...
http://red3.blogspot.com/2007/06/fat-hate-bingo...
Yeah, Liss! You and your "arguments" about how all women are worthy of respect - even if they're FAT! - will totally lead women to think they're worth more than looking porntastic and making food and cleaning house and sucking geek cock! Don't you get it? People were MEAN to them in SCHOOL! YOU'RE RUINING EVERYTHING!
(And I love you for it! *mwah*)
And wot cause unrest. You forgot that part.
Mine too. Especially after the part about using racist jokes "politely."
that's what is commonly referred to as "drinking your milkshake."
Did any of us say we were?
" If you had actually tried to make a well-thought out argument about the game, you wouldn't have gotten all these "attacks."
Translation: I didn't read the post, but it's all YOUR fault you got attacked! Bitchez deserve it!
"But no, you decided to take a "fuck you" approach and respond with immature name-calling and hate speech to everyone who tries to respond to you with a well-thought out argument."
Is this moron talking to us now, or the trolls who posted bigotry of every flavor. She's either confused or REALLY dumb.
"It's people like you who ruin women. You do much more damage than this game ever will."
*LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO* Holy FSM, that's the best one yet! Emily, you win the dumbest troll in the world award. Srsly.
Stop it, stop it, STOP IT! My underwear supply is limited, I tell you!
No! It's lesbians like me that ruin women ...
For MEN!!!
Bwahahahahahahaha!! *cue evil laugh ad infinitum*
I hope I get my dart back.
I troll trolls on the internet because my life is so enriched and fulfilling.
HAHA DISREGARD THAT I LOVE COCKS!
where are these well thought out and polite arguments? i can't seem to find them
Christine, that is exactly what i was thinking. i am a gamer too, but really, i can tell when a game is fucked up. the overwhelming majority of games are offensive in some way (even the "wonderful" games that someone mentioned above that are marketed at girls, b/c brushing ponies and cooking are the only things little girls might like), that doesn't make them right. there are some things that i can overlook...but this is not one of them.
i think i might have to continue my "why it's not just a game" series, and hope Melissa doesn't mind me quoting her.
and can i get some pathetic anger bread? i need to nom nom nom while i type. this ass obviously isn't going to enlarge itsel!
*shakes fist at Zeppelin flying by* GRUMMMMBLLLLLLLLLLLES!!!!
*Sarah whips out her nerf rifle, locks and loads it and points it in the direction of .... *
er, wait.
Bugger.
Damn you and your infinite powers of anonymous location!!! DAMN YOOOOOOOUUUU!!!
What does that even mean?
HAHA DISREGARD THAT I LOVE COCKS!
Intruder alert.
dude, you failed YOUR OWN MEME. it's 'suck'.
I'll bet. You know what I love? Grammar.
Look, pistolgrip .... er ...
Nope, sorry. I just can't even get past the nick.
ROTFLOL!
You're great, Shakes ... my only regret is that your bludgeoning responses were so good that, while I almost got bruises from just READING them ;-) I just know that the "boys" are confused, thinking they must be at the airport ... cuz the smart chick's responses are flyin' over their haids. ;-D
In a few weeks schools will open across the country and the kids will be pulling this kind of "logic" with their teachers. Try listening this year, trolls!
LMAO! OMG, that made me laugh SO. HARD.
Everytime I read it again, I burst out laughing again. Giggle fitz!!!
Are some of your Best Friends (TM) black, too? This is so funny.
CE, I love you, and i want to have your babies.
LOLOLOL
OMIGOD, is that why they hate fate people so much? Cuz they could catch teh obesity?
Translation: If the bigotry doesn't affect me, what are you complaining about?
"You wonder why people are making fun of you?"
No, they're bigots. And, they're only making fun of themselves. That's what makes the dumb bigots.
" It's because you are taking a good game that doesn't mean to insult anyone and making a idiotic case against it."
Translation: I get to decide what's offensive *foot stamp* Me! it's all about Me! Why won'tyou bitchez let me decide! *throws temper tantrum*
" Well if a fat feminist can call random people idiots or tards without a sensitivity concern I can say the truth about what obesity is."
First of all, none of us called people "tards". That's abelist bigotry. We're not bigots. And if you're seriously stupid enough to think that your manufactured accusations of bigotry are reason enough for you to be a bigot, you're a serious waste of skin.
"I would question if you are an actual asset to the feminist community or a liability."
I would question if you're actually this arrogant or just a complete moron.
"I love the feminism movement. It has taught us the meaning of equality more so than any other groups."
Here comes the "BUT"
"However this whole game against fat women thing is ridiculous."
I'm sorry, we've filled our dumbass concern troll quota for the week. Reapply next week, pls!
"I think your perception of games has to change and you require consciousness raising about what gaming is. For example gamers are not just a bunch of teenage geeks looking to make 'chops on the internet. "
The dumbass troll says to the GAMER.
"I applaud those who reject your idea with ridicule because"
you're a dumbass bigot. We heard that loud and clear.
YET.
*fires up OpenOffice*
Seriously? Please tell me this is someone here doing a parody? PLEASE?
Though you know something that is ACTUALLY proven not to contribute to making you a racist?
Spelling.
huh. that's odd. i wonder what those 300+ "YOU FAT UGLY BITCH" comments were all about, then?
Well if a fat feminist can call random people idiots or tards without a sensitivity concern I can say the truth about what obesity is.
the word 'tard' is not allowed on this blog, because it's rightly considered offensive to those with disabilities. abusing people for who and what they are is a bannable offense on this blog. so you didn't see 'a fat feminist' doing that shit, not here. a bunch of gamers, not 'random people', decided to come over here and troll. they got called idiots. it's not like anyone went out and fucking hunted them down. most of them proved to have abjectly impoverished vocabularies and imaginations, and they were torn down, but, well, you know what? THEY FUCKING STARTED IT.
what if lets say the game required you to starve the princess, then she would become weak and feeble which would require more soldiers to bring her back, is this an offense to thin women?
what if we could make a game that didn't revolve around making a woman a capturable object with no will or agency?
Your argument is ridiculous and your are taking advantage of the fact that the world has become afraid to hurt peoples feelings
wow, i sure fucking missed that memo. although apparently it is VERY VERY WRONG not to stroke the fragile egos of gamer boys, or even to disagree with them, because IT IS SO VERY HURTFUL AND SEXIST AND HATEFUL AND BAD.
*fires more darts in the general direction of Chicago* Dammit, they keep hitting the cows in Cheeseheadland.
Quick lesson in humour for all of our little visitors there. Humour is found in a statements that are either a) creative or b) inherently true, or c) both. Since making "jokes" about people based on their inherent inferiority to straight-white-maleitude has been a favourite pastime for centuries, all further humour found in such statements must be derived from their so-called "truth" value.
So, yeah, if you're laughing at racist jokes, you think they're true, on some level, and yeah, that makes you a racist, fuckhead.
WAAAHHHHH.
You folks are so killing me today, I love it.
At least I think so.
Answer: Your confusion is in assuming it is an "or" condition. ;-)
Careful, you! The way things have been going lately, you might break a rib. :)
CE, I love you, and i want to have your babies.
LOL, Spudsy. If I ever have any, they will definitely know how to properly modify a noun.
actually, it does. but thanks for trying.
Bigotry doesn't bother this braindead troll, so what's everyone worried about? The world revolves around her?
"Also laughing about a racist joke does not make you a racist,"
yes, it does.
"denying someone for their skincolour makes you a rasict."
That too.
"i know plenty of black people who enjoy a racistjoke themselves"
I would suggest you think hard about the difference, but we all know your seven fighting braincells won't produce much.
"how much time have you spend complaining that you could have spend making yourself happy?"
What makes you think any of us aren't happy? Srsly. I'd like to know why objecting to bigotry makes you complete fucking morons think we're unhappy?
You're aiming too high ... although, that said, pointing the thing towards Green Bay couldn't hurt, speaking as a Chicagoan.
*pulls out unidirectional nerf bomb*
*nods seriously*
It's totally viral. I caught it from my aunt.
"You ladies are overreacting to the trolls. Now you're just making yourselves look bad. Not everyone here is out to get you."
... you come to a space specifically to refute something that the host says, when this space is often attacked by assholes, and you think that the hosts don't have the right to put you in the category of "attacking asshole"? That they don't have the right to mock you and the attack-minded folks who came with you? That they shouldn't use sarcasm and bonbons and anything else they feel like?
Dude, what planet are you living on?
Oh, right. I'm guessing it's Planet Dude, in the Privilege System, where people like you haven't gone from "having their blog attacked" to "getting physical death threats and having to call the police and change your phone number and leaving the internet forever" in similar circumstances. Sarcasm is a way of not thinking about the scary, real-life implications of trolls - that somewhere, there might be a stalker with your name on it.
To put it another way, when you walk up to a castle under siege and tell the guards that they look like they're being hostile to visitors like yourself, who are clearly distinguishable from their real enemies by the fact that you eat your toast with your butter side down instead of up, you deserve whatever arrows get slung at you.
Personally, I'm having a great time. Thx for asking, though!
Now go away before I taunt you a second tahme!
Let us know when you get to the "mature" part.
Either Chicago gets some Evil Northern Squirrels, or some cows get Squirrel Splut Surprise. Either way is a win.
Me too! Best fun I've had (whilst at work, anywayz) in weeks!
Sorry mamajane, but as a gay (GAY!) woman, I kinda consider wet panties to be a marker of success ;)
Squirrel Splut Surprise
Pathetic anger bread with troll sauce
Salad with baby croutons
and Schadenfreude Pie for dessert
Sorry, troll, you're not the center of the universe, no matter how many times your parents tell you that you are.
then count me another success...hahaha...i just totally peed mine!
sort of the same way that racist, sexist, hateful gamers can't all use being fourteen and ignorant as an excuse?
Me too! Nothing makes the workday go faster than some playful troll stomping.
I am a ____, but this time you're wrong.
You're why people hate _______
You know, is there some rule about how many comments must be posted before a concern troll "MUST. POST. A. COMMENT!!!"
Because I'm seriously noticing a certain regularity here.
Trollop. ;0
where the fuck are all these 'reasonable counters' to the argument? i haven't seen any. not any. give me a name and a time and i'll read it, and discuss it, if there's anything to discuss, but point me there, because i have not yet noticed one.
taking things said with obvious jest intentionally out of context
right, because you can laugh at racist jokes and TOTALLY NOT BE A RACIST? because they're just JOKES, right?
I love how trolls think "OMG UR A FAT LESBO BITCH HAHAHA" is a "reasonable counter" to, uh, anything. FSM forbid someone actually call an -ist an -ist! That might hurt someone's feelings! WHAT ABOUT TEH MENZ??!11!?
You're kind of dumb. Just sayin'.
as a gay (GAY!) woman
HAHA! Ur a lesbo! ;)
Translation: I don't read this blog and I have absolutely no idea what I'm talking about, but there are women speaking up, so I must do my part to silence them.
"Fair enough there's a whole lot of flaming been going on, but if you're going to instantly and automatically dismiss everything you disagree with you are no better than the practices and people about which you are oh so outspoken."
Translation: I don't read this blog and I have absolutely no idea what I'm talking about, but there are women speaking up, so I must do my part to silence them.
"Just sayin'"
Translation: Just sayin' I'm a total troll.
Lol ... oooo, I so totally wish :)
You're just as bad as the bigots!
I'll get back to watching the epic thread get more epic. bettyboondoggle, Sarah in Chicago, PortlyDyke and others...you are rockin' it today!
Yeah, the problem with that is that there haven't been any "reasonable counter[s] to your argument" yet.
But I'm sure you'll let us know when there is one.
(Agreed, helen; there's one spot on the card.)
Trolls may never read the comments, but its a great brainstorming exercise for the rest of us to come with good angles to make our argument. Really, the trolls are just pawns in our own little think tank. Its kinda funny when you...
Oh, wow. I just realized I went to college with you. Wait, what was I saying? Oh yeah, trolls are funny pawns. Whee!
there's been precious little 'civil disagreement', or disagreement of any kind. mostly, frothing shrieking howler monkeys have put down their controllers to fling their poo at us. they seem to be agitated, sure, but you can't really have a conversation that way.
troll: [yells and flings own poo]
other commenters: 'well, that was fucking stupid'.
see the problem there?
Actually, I bow to CE's wit, totally. She won the thread a long while back, imhfo.
You know, if you want people to be swayed by the strength of your argument, you may just want to ... oh, I don't know ... not use text-speak?
And use punctuation.
Just a suggestion mind you.
Translation: If you disagree with me, and don't let me be a bigot all over your blog, then you're censoring me!!!1!
"If someone disagrees with you, whether civilly or not, you set them up in a way that they've "obviously" done nothing but prove your point."
Here's a hint: when someone uses "bitch", "fat", or "lesbo" as an insult, they're unworthy of a serious response. Bigotry doens't deserve respect.
"It's wrong of you to criticize someone and not fully expect, better welcome criticism yourself."
Bigotry =/= criticism. This ain't rocket science.
reply
/people/2da9ab730473c3fb15ad506ab5e59f91/
"
Since I'm on Grammar Patrol already, here's a free hint: "affect" is usually a verb, with exceptions. This not being one of them, the word you're looking for is "effect."
It's wrong of you to criticize someone and not fully expect, better welcome criticism yourself.
It seems to be trying to communicate...
It's interesting to me that so many human beings can grow up both aggressively hateful and stupid, but I imagine different kinds of things jump out to different kinds of people.
That's pretty much all the debate there is to be had on the topic. If you have a different opinion of this game, then that's your right. Buy the game and enjoy playing it--that's your right, too.
But why are you coming here to argue about someone else's opinion that they wrote on their blog which you don't read?
Unlike the current system, which is total awesomeness.
I totally second that. CE is today's Queen of Teh Funny.
I'm with PD on this one, this was totally CE's and betty's thread, they did the slaying. I just came behind with the broom.
*types in "your anger is so unnecessary"*
Okay, I'm almost done. Any more suggestions?
Some people have different opinions of this game than she does. I don't see her "refusing to accept" that at all.
And those of us who don't spend our lives wanking off to video game characters would have to subsidize the care of your frequently-sprained wrists. You win some, you lose some.
other commenters: 'well, that was fucking stupid'.
LOLOLOLOL
It's interesting to me that your method of presenting the topic leaves no way for you to possibly be wrong, mistaken about the game creators intent or the affect that it will have on others....
Translation: How dare you express your arguments without giggling and bowing and apologizing like my imaginary Japanese girlfriend?
Tone, Esme, that if we were just nicer.
Though you may have gotten that one already.
Aww, thanks, y'all! I've been LMAO at the rest of you, though. Troll-stomping is always a team sport. ;)
I really do have to go, or I'm going to have to fire myself.
Keep being funny so I have something to read after I'm done being "more productive" (as if).
Yes, he is.
" He's said nothing about the blog"
Ah, I se, you're dumb. Let me explain to you what the problem is here. In claiming that we allow no dissenting opinions, he's claiming he knows this to be true. Except, any five second tour around this blog, on a normal non-dumbass bigot troll infested thread, would prove this to be untrue. Ergo, he's a liar.
"nothing about women at large,"
He didn't have to. He's lying, claiming knowledge he doesn't have, and generally trolling in effort to push his uninformed bigot opinions on this blog. This is a silencing tactic.
"merely that being unable to accept rational critique is fool hearty. "
Which is something he doesn't actually know for sure. He's lying in order to troll. C'mon now, put your thinking cap on.
"The blog isn't an island unto itself, and the things that apply to reason in general apply to the specific instance of one person being unnecessarily angry."
Here's the problem, privileged douche, neither you, nor he, nor any other bigot troll here now gets to decide for other people what they can be angry about. It's only supreme arrogance and stupidity that allows someone with absolutely no knowledge of anything here to say something like that AND actually expect to be taken seriously.
I would have gone with, "I don't know what the word 'womanizing' means, and I flunked out of school at the second grade for failing to learn simple contractions." Just saying.
Ooooh! Is that like how those who were concerned that this game would play to fat-hostile and misogynistic attitudes of a segment of the gaming audience have been proven right by the legions of "yer dum cuz u is fat and has no penis" style responses?
Dude, it isn't because I was so devilishly clever as to suggest that the game is fat-hating and heteronormative that the people who "disagree with" me prove my point. It's because they are FAT-HATING HOMOPHOBES. That's true of anyone who tries to insult me by calling me a "fat lesbo bitch," irrespective of what I said to allegedly provoke it.
Logic: Get some.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/esme454/...
Nah, PS3 is still a piece of shite.
Commodore64, now THERE'S a game system.
A. You
B. Your knowledge of Nietzsche. He also said this,“All things are subject to interpretation whichever interpretation prevails at a given time is a function of power and not truth.” Chew on that Jackass.
I really do have to go, or I'm going to have to fire myself.
How did people waste time at work before the internet-tubes? ;)
This is why people hate bigot trolls. Because all you do is make excuses. It's disgusting and repulsive just like your personality.
Fixed that for you!
I don't need to be an expert in anything to know that you have no idea what sociology is.
And because you're so fucking fat and lazy, you try to justify it as being "beyond your control." This is why people hate fatasses. Because all you do is make excuses. It's disgusting and repulsive just like your personality.
You, on the other hand, are quite the charmer!
Nonek, it's you of course. Haven't you figured it out? This is alllllllllll about you.
*flutters fat eyelashes becomingly*
Good grief, it's like someone wrapped up an unintended-irony, missing-the-point, and self-mockery present, baked it all up in an unintended-irony, missing-the-point, and self-mockery cake, coated it in unintended-irony, missing-the-point, and self-mockery icing, and put an unintended-irony, missing-the-point, and self-mockery award on top.
Dudez, yous likez totallyz rocksz.
too bad any reason i could have to read your comment is trumped by your nick, /b/tard number 8766587763. still, just for the hell of it, i skimmed.
PROTIP: writing in complete sentences helps keep a weakly-reasoned argument from looking EVEN MORE FULL OF FAIL.
Way to understand irony. Good job!
It has something to do with sociopaths, obviously. ;)
Commodore64, now THERE'S a game system.
*hugs Atari 2600 closely*
Honestly, anon, you can polish the turd as much as you want, but it's still a vile pile of poo.
Charm. He has it.
You probably already got it but:
"You're for reverse sexism/racism/etc..."
You haven't realized we're making fun of YOU yet, have you? Y'all are making it too easy.
Which is...what? Pointing out that it's fatphobic, or making fun of you?
Eh, don't bother answering; we already know the answer. FTR, though, we're all enjoying ourselves. The only people getting bent out of shape here are you and your little friends - we just think you're funny.
Oh, thanks Eloriane. I truly didn't know it had any racial undertones at all. I first heard it from some college "friends" (engineer gamers, no less!), and they basically used it as a "socially-acceptable" stand-in for "c*nt." Thanks for letting me know.
You're so GAY!, Paul.
Ooooo, I see your LOLspeak and raise you:
Troll: "My charm: Let me show you it"
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA
And thanks to Esme, I now have a printed stack of 10 bingo cards. I'm looking forward to trying them out.
Closely followed by, "Why don't women ever want to have sex with Nice Guys like meeeee?!?"
and to the trolls -- sorry, you are simply not ready to eat at the grown-up table yet.
i can haz pathetic anger bread pleez?
And having such a hysterical reaction over a criticism of said video game is... what... perfectly normal?
Let me make a suggestion... stick out your lips a little further, put your index finger between them, and move it rapidly up and down while humming. You'll make this "bibblebibblebibblebibblebibble" noise that will make a lot more sense than any sentences you could possibly form with the same mouth.
And on the day irony died, we were there to see it.
Halp! Halp! I'm being repressed!
Even his right hand is starting to have a lot of "headaches" lately.
I've always heard it was a combination of "bitch" and "cunt," which is just all kinds of obnoxious.
Oh Chet, I think they killed irony way back up there, a few hundred comment posts ago ... except they kept reanimating irony and then killing it again.
Are these the same people who think the Colbert Report is the real thing?
(I know... "you mean it isn't?")
New drinking game! Who can say that 3 times fast?
yeah, sorry, that was me. it was such a long post, and the author obviously spent a lot of time working on it and wanted a lot of people to read it and take it seriously. i couldn't resist deleting it. i should probably turn in my moderator badge now.
Oh this one is easy:
Translation: I'm a sexist douche, therefore, I will call any emotion women show, however slight, ZOMG!!! HYSTERICAL EMOTIONAL ISSUES!!!11!1!11!1111ELEVENTYONE!!1!1
Hee, you guys rock. Also, I am so hungry for baby croutons now.
Okay, this is just terrible ... you used "you're" correctly twice, but then right there in the middle of them both, you used "your".
Seriously, put some effort in there man! Are you TRYING to give Paul a heart-attack here?
Well, Chet, I'm pretty sure irony's been dead for quite some time. Now, they're just constantly summoning Zombie Irony, then taking two-by-fours to its head.
JINX, SARAH! ;P
translation: I was one of the people who sent you the link.
i always feel that way.
Seriously, put some effort in there man! Are you TRYING to give Paul a heart-attack here?
Sadly, I think that was the very best he could do.
Okay, that?
Not. Irony.
Which is awfully ironic, one would have to say :)
Because that's what you all have been doing this whole time, instead of defending Melissa's post with REAL arguments.
As you wish.
Madagascar for Concern Troll Bingo winner!
And we have a nominee for Stupidest Comment of the Thread. And that's saying something.
Wha-- !?
At least that's a new one. No less dumb, but new.
Feh, I just think you're copying me, Jack. Total stealer.
I'mma make a second card.
Ohhh, is "better to starve and suffer from malnutrition due to poverty than be fat" on one of the bingo cards?
Kinda proves that they don't actually care about health, doesn't it?
stupid us for not catching that. but like i said, i traded my sense of humor for my feminist/womanist card long ago.
Oh, I don't know ... we had the "It's people like you that ruin women" comment, and the one about how people that find racist jokes funny aren't actually racist ... it's got a tough crowd to beat today.
There was never demand to the company that it not be published, so you're stupid. And, people who buy this game just to spite people speaking out against bigotry are bigots, so you're stupid.
"That being said, it is quite silly to be offended by this game. "
That you're privileged and you think you get to decide this means you're stupid.
"The developers mean no harm, obviously."
You can't read minds, so pretending to have info that you don't makes you stupid.
"It's not like they portray being fat in a derogatory way. They are laughing with it, not AT it."
You're stupid.
"But fine, don't listen to me. Mock me. Twist my words and make me seem like a fatty-hating, misogynistic fascist."
We don't need to. You did that all on your own. Thanks, btw, for being stupid.
"Because that's what you all have been doing this whole time, instead of defending Melissa's post with REAL arguments."
Bigotry doesn't deserve a thorough response. And, you're stupid.
(FSM that is fun!)
It's like raaaain, on your wedding daaaay...
Because that's what you all have been doing this whole time, instead of defending Melissa's post with REAL arguments.
Argument is down the hall, third door on the left. This is abuse, you shallow empty headed sod!
Yes, that.
deeky! I didn't get to see anon's post! *pouts*
Would Madam like baby donut sprinkles?
Where did NoneK go? I was fluttering my eyelashes at him and everything. Dangit. I guess it's all my fault for being fat.
*LOL* We get it. You're a dumbass bigot.
Is this one of those "reasoned" arguments without bigotry the dipshits are talking about?
No, no. That's not irony.
The irony is that you're devoting your time and energy to arguing how Melissa's blog post is a waste of her time and energy.
THAT'S irony.
Old = ugly. Thanks for sharing.
LOLOLOL. We're all sure you consider sexist bigotry to be the truth, ipsa res loquitur, but for those of us with brains in our heads, we realize that the opposite is the case. So, scamper off, back under the rock you came from.
Huh? I don't believe that, and I don't know any feminists who do. Nice strawman, though.
the dramatic irony being that when Helen was abducted she was young and beautfiul, but by the time she was rescued, she was old and ugly.
That's interesting. I don't remember that at all, but it's been a few years since I last read Homer. You're still an obnoxious troll, though.
Oo, more irony.
There should, apparently, be a disclaimer on this blog reminding overly sensitive idiots that they actually have a choice in whether or not they read this blog.
Try to understand this: Melissa isn't trying to stop you from buying, playing, and enjoying the game. She's expressing her opinion of it ON HER OWN FUCKING BLOG.
I'm trying to think the world doesn't revolve around me, but y'all keep flocking here and begging for my attention! *bats eyes*
maybe they can be convinced to repost it.
Yes, this is why every single gamer troll that ever crawled out of their parents' basement turned up in this thread.
We seriously could actually do with a little less world-revolving actually, come to think of it.
*sigh*
It's Melissa's world. We just comment in it.
Privileged douchebag, table for one!
"lol fat bitch" comments aside,"
Ah yes, first we must pretend those aren't a problem in order to blame Melissa. Douche.
"you need to understand that the world doesn't revolve around you and nobody cares if you're fat or skinny, it's when you make stupid posts like these that you're going to get this type of reaction, it's to be expected."
YOu need to understand that the world doesn't revolve around YOU and nobody care if you're a dumbass bigot with dumbass bigot opinions. You don't get to tell other people what they can talk about.
"That being said, I don't automatically throw on the femi-nazi comments because"
you're a concern troll.
That's not actually how the story goes, you know. I'm wondering where you got the impression that it did?
Gotta love people who plead that the world doesn't revolve around someone, and yet will spend their precious time trolling said person's blog explaining just why the world doesn't revolve around them.
Now, do your parents a favor and get out of the basement. They're tired of doing your laundry for you, putzes.
Exhibit one in Reasons we need media literacy classes starting in first grade.
"lol fat bitch" comments aside, you need to understand that the world doesn't revolve around you and nobody cares if you're fat or skinny, it's when you make stupid posts like these that you're going to get this type of reaction, it's to be expected.
There should be a disclaimer on this blog reminding overly sensitive gamerboiz that they actually have a choice in whether or not you [sic] read this blog.
This game isn't going to make people think any different about women because the plot and presentation are so exaggerated that the line between reality and fiction is clear and concise.
Exhibit 2.
I may just be a nerd, but the first thing I thought of when I saw this game was the Trojan War, the dramatic irony being that when Helen was abducted she was young and beautfiul, but by the time she was rescued, she was old and ugly.
Ah, so you really are just a sexist pretending to be a feminist. You almost had me fooled! Really!
Probably in the opening sequence for a game, there JP.
Whoops, did I say that?
i always feel that way.
Shucks folks, I'm speechless.
Seriously, put some effort in there man! Are you TRYING to give Paul a heart-attack here?
*Shrieks, pulls out hair, dies, reanimates as zombie, reads you're/your comment, dies again*
Who needs to brush up on his ancient Greek literature, as well.
Uh-huh. Suuuuuuuure.
TOTALLY. It's like he got his info from God of War.
Esme, if you're making another card, please use "The thing you really must understand is..."
Geez, you're such an elitist.
..wait, wrong thread.
I have to go home now. I look forward to seeing the next 300 comments when I get there. *MWAH*
I've printed out a few of the bingo cards and am playing for the first time. So fucking awesome. Once again, I cannot thank you enough for making my afternoon so hilarious (bettyboondoggle, CE, Sarah in Chicago, and I know I'm missing a whole lot of others. The large amount of undone work sitting here is all your fault! :-D).
LOL. Guilty as charged.
I'm with CE; you say that like it's a bad thing :)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/esme454/...
Oh, here we go.
Our society has done everything in its power to end its sexism
I'm sorry, what? I can't hear you. I'm laughing too hard.
Quoted for its wonderful, foot-stamping, pouting, I-say-it-is-so!, beauty and glory.
Dude, seriously, congrats, you win teh intertubez for most incredibly stupid comment on this entire thread.
Sigh. Guess I'll have to get back to work. Damn.
nice strawman there, dipshit. come back when you've developed proper debating skills.
Do you honestly think that only old men are sexist? That's cute. Too bad you weren't reading Shakesville during the primaries.
Man, the stupid is thick in here.
"obesity is unhealthy and is very rarely a physical certainty"
or
"Our society has done everything in its power to end its sexism"
p.s. one day I will write a comment on Shakesville that contains a little bit more than admiration of all Shakers... but that day is not yet.
Hey, just because no one wants to get near you in your basement lair, what with all the crusty wank towels and such, that doesn't mean everyone else has trouble finding people to love.
I actually do understand that. I'm not sure the same can be said for the legions of fanboy loserz who have been piling into this thread, the previous thread on this topic, linking both threads all over the internetz, obsessively emailing me, and doodling on my picture.
LOL. Tell me again how I'm the fixated one with no sense of proportion. Go on. I love it.
It will be JUST as the privileged douchebag says!
"If men still have more authority in our culture then tough shit, I guess you should start a powerful company or try harder to get elected, but you won't get any respect by whining."
*LOL* So, you're not sexist, you're just a sexist privileged douchebag. Well done!
*snerk*
I want the insane trolls back! Where are the insane trolls?
Why yes, thank you for noticing.
Foolie's post in convenient bingo format
Literally just not caring, lol. I mean, if every dipshitastic fat-hating, misogynist, homophobic, racist, ablist fuck with an internet connection hates you, it's merely confirmation you're doing something right.
Every new pile of troll-droppings is another badge of fuckin' honor.
I think their mothers called them up from the basements to have dinner.
They cannot live on cheetos alone, after all.
it's even better than the one deeky deleted!
Ramen to that!
And with that, my troll stomping shift has come to a close. If it's still going on tomorrow morning, I'll clock back in.
keep on stomping on, Shakers. you rule.
Fucking.
Wow.
<x.x> These are the people that make me want to start swinging a lead pipe. (((Liss)))
Ah yes, that old legal manoeuvre, the old-school riposte, the "But I wanna!!!" defence!
Tally ho!
But maybe that's just me.
those bingo cards just make themselves, don't they, esme?
Imminently logical, of course. Given that logic to these putzes is the equivalent to playing with their own feces.
That's a lot of friggin' badges.
Shut up. You're being stupid, and trying to justify being an asshole. Shut up.
Me too, JJ. That's why I'm awed by all the great responses in here and the spirit behind them.
Co-sign on the hugs to Liss as well.
By Jove, I think he's GOT IT!
Yes "FedUp", we actually believe everyone should be protected from being dehumanised. Particularly so those groups that have historically been such.
Maybe you should have stopped with that sentence.
Melissa, apparently, people have suddenly realized that you are fat! I'm sure you have never been told this before, but you've just been outed as a fat woman on the internet! Surely you are now sorry for it!
Darn, I forgot. They might go and get fat, and that's all gross and unhealthy and shit. Pass the Pringles, please.
I am all over creating a recipe for pathetic anger bread.
So do you think anger bread is more on the herbs/spices spectrum or the "add lots of cheese to it you fat fuck" spectrum? Either way, the pathetic has to be supplied by jalapenos because what's a little culinary exploration without the possibility of e-coli?
I am sure there are more comments regarding this delicious treat in the thread above, but I actually have to get some work done so I had to stop reading.
But I'll say that 25% or more people in the United States are now considered 'obese'.
and i'll explain, AGAIN, that this didn't just happen overnight, and has at least a bit to do with the fact that the guidelines determining 'obesity' were changed to include more people.
did you know that 63% or more {of} the people in the US play videogames? why can't we make fun of something that's so common in the society? also, 49% of the world's population is male! we should be allowed to say shit about them! and what's up with black people? there are TONS!
Teaspoons.
*holds her's up*
FINALLY!
A "won't someone think of the children"!
those crafty, scheming, underhanded fat people, with their unscrupulous eating ways!
But that's TOTALLY not sexist! So completely and utterly not! Not in the slightest!
(ok, so it was more the beautiful batting back and forth of the trolls between commenters like so many teeny mice between mountain lions, but still)
Ok, for once, I'm glad to have to go off to Computability and Models of Computation. Less mind-scarry.
You little gamer boys need to understand that no matter how hateful your comments or how much those of us who have lives criticize your little games--you are still socially retarded, you still could use some lessons on social interaction, women who obviously terrify you are not going to sleep with you much less speak to you no matter how many little games you are good at playing. Someone also said we are raising a generation of big thumbed and small minded children. And you little gamer boys are proving it.
I am one of those women who terrify you. Yeah, I am a little overweight, but what really frightens you is that no matter what you do, you can't catch me, you can't surpass me, and you bore me to death. It isn't that you aren't worthy of respect as one of the sky God's creatures---what earns you my utter contempt is the cruelty you live with in your fake world. How you little games are about things you want--harming people, crushing your "enemies," triumphant in a world that doesn't exist. You don't function in the real world so you sit in the basement and drop out of the world you resent full of beautiful women who don't even know you exist. And who would never be so hurtful as you are to your own psyche.
Turn off the games, boys. Real women don't play games. And you don't get that, do you? As long as you search those silly games for signs of how to live in the real world, with real problems and real people, you are going to come up short. Stop being such bastards and hoping to be masters of the fake world. Join the real world. Your fanatical devotion to mastery of something is being wasted on these games. Get interested in reality and in learning to treat others as more than jerky little images with theme music.
Does it really make you feel superior to taunt women with "lesbo" "fat" and that all time favorite "bitch"? Do you think that you are going to build any real world relationships with anyone other than your geeky little gamer friends by calling women of substance "lesbo" "fat" "bitches." Don't you remember that we can eat you for lunch? You know it is true and if that is the best you can do you should get your money back for these little games that aren't teaching you to defeat anything but yourselves. If these games didn't keep you miserable, how would these gamer companies make any money if you got out of the basement and interacted with someone real that could give you real trouble.
Boys will be boys and you obviously still are.
I do have a "genuine" response for you, though. Given that fat is not as unhealthy as its been made out to be. In FACT, morbidity for many fat people is actually lower than thin or average weight people. Yet our country has an alarmingly high rate of people dieting to try to lose weight even though weight loss attempts fail more than 95% of the time and more than 90% of those who fail end up gaining back more weight than they lost.
Weight cycling leads to far more health problems than maintaining a steady weight. But its far more common for a fat person to be engaging in a yo-yo dieting cycle than accepting their bodies. I just don't understand how you can support such an unhealthy way of life? Why are you championing poor health choices? If our society were even less accepting of fat people, it will only get worse.
I know I can't change your mind, but I'd appreciate an explanation. How can so many people stand together in the name of unhealthiness? Why do they not see that our society is already quite unaccepting of fat people?
Fail. I was raised in the same household and had the same eating habits as both of my sisters. I have different genetics, however, having inherited my father's slender genes, while they inherited my mother's genes. BOTH of them are far more fit than I am. They both exercise, I don't have time. They both cook and are both vegetarians - I eat crap and, bowing to an earlier comment, I nearly have an IV of Pepsi running all day.
I'm a size four, and my weight runs between 105-115. I also smoke, have asthma, high cholesterol, and arthritis.
My sisters are both big women, one of them would probably classify as "fat" and the other as "morbidly obese."
They're both healthier than I am, and watch everything they eat. I don't.
I think you don't understand the role genetics plays here.
I mean, its just a game.. And its not even a major production.
Translation: I side with the bullies cuz I'm afraid they'll beat me up.
Real life: FAIL.
LOL! six paragraphs because it wasn't worth it. genius!
God, the world is so hostile to skinny people. The fatties really run the world.
Wow. My wife says that and she's a chick, so it must be true.
Hmm, after dealing with Bill Donohue, Bill O'Reilly, Michelle Malkin, and various swill conservative blogs regarding the Edwards campaign situation earlier this year....yes, being maligned by the bottom 40 of the IQ population really A Big Deal. Really. It is. Sure.
Because, you know, my wife is totally teh awesomenous authority on everythingz.
Yes, we admit it, you've got us.
That's completely why we don't like this game. Because we came up with the idea of dehumanising and shaming fat women through the vehicle of a computer game, and we totally want credit for it.
*rolls eyes*
I have no wife.
I am all for womens rights and defend women at work all the time. This has nothing to do with womens rights.
Cuz I, a lonely, sexually-frustrated little jackass, say so. Bow down before me. And get me a beer.
So it shows a fat princess, SO WHAT?
Shakespearian!
Sying the PS3 sucks, yea, that is real mature.
I'm thirteen and I have to type fast before Mom gets home from work.
There are so many hypocritical statements here it is actually funny.
I don't know what that actually means, but it sounds good.
It is a game, so what. Is it based on you?
It's just a joke, bitch.
Was it your idea that was stolen?
Whoosh! That was the point you just missed.
It is easier to rescue lighter person than a heavy person. Thats all this game is saying.
Oh, retconning, how fun.
This must be the shittiest of all shitty games out there, what with the shitheaded and shitstained little dickheads who've flooded to defend it.
AHAHAHA! If the "even my wife/girlfriend..." line isn't on a bingo card yet, it should be. It's one of my all-time faves.
(Hint: Sexism and stupidity are equal-opportunity afflictions, dudez. Women can be just as sexist and just as dumb as gamer fanboys.)
Flewellyn, thanks so much for the schadenfreude pie link! Love it!
I'm focusing on the positive here because the ignorance and above all the lack of critical thinking ability demonstrated by some in this thread is pretty depressing...
You might want to upgrade your brain, as well.
i demand new, smarter and more clever trolls. these ones are boring!
Good fucking spaghetti monster. I dont *need* to lose weight, you twit. Unless of course, you're considering a 5'2" woman weighing 105 pounds as "overweight." If you are...you've got a very screwed up perspective on women and weight.
My sister are both vegetarians and eat less and more healthily than I do. They also exercise, which you've been calling for. I work 70+ hours a week and don't exercise beyond lifing my pepsi glass to my lips.
GENETICS.
It's not just a game. It's not just a movie. That's not just a t-shirt. Just look at what people do with that shit! Look at these comments! Do these people look like they grew up in a perfect world where sexist depictions of women have not led to sexism? We don't live in a vacuum. This shit comes from somewhere.
And if you actually loved games, you'd demand better from them, too. Blind adulation to an art form isn't a mark of virtue, it's a mark of cowardice and stunted emotional and mental growth. Adults play video games, too. Isn't that the defense of GTA from Jack Thompson?! They're not for kids?! Well, stop acting like children!
CE, I think that falls under the "I know another woman who said different" square on Esme's linked card. But it deserves a special square, especially considering the extra contempt of "even my wife/gf..."
it's like they're not even trying.
i demand new, smarter and more clever trolls. these ones are boring!
Don't worry, the internets will find you!!
LOL.
You know what? I'm not fat and I find the game offensive.
What? You mean there are people here who don't fit the wankers' idea of what we all look like? Amaaaaazing.
These trolls are getting a little boring. Come on, people, at least entertain us. You're all so derivative!
I think I've had enough for awhile. I'm gonna go make dinner. That's right, I'm gonna go EAT and make my FAT ASS bigger, and by doing so I will somehow use YOUR TAX DOLLARS to pay for all the HEALTH CONDITIONS that I don't have because of my OBESITY. And my food? I might even use OIL and ingredients which are NOT LOW CALORIE. And then I might engage in sexual activity with my boyfriend who obviously doesn't exist, because I am FAT and certainly no skinny guy would ever want a FAT CHICK.
You know, when I started making fun of these trolls and following this thread, I should have kept in mind that these are people who invested in the PS3, and making fun of them is probably not nice, since they already got fucked over.
It's always amusing when trolls pull this ridiculous line out. I mean, the fact that she married the troll is a giant red flag against her judgment ability.
Here's a clue-by-four: no one here actually cares what you think any of us look like.
Don't worry, the internets will find you!!
I think I smell a new meme--time to get photoshoppin shakers! (or GIMPing if that's how you roll)...
Sounds like most of these "men" got turned down for prom.
It also needs to be empty inside. Just a big hollow hole right in the middle.
The fact that she married you is a giant red flag against her judgment ability.
I'm thinking it's his imaginary inflatable wife.
(a) awesome awesome thread, esp. the too-noisy gay gay sex/grumbles pwnage of paul...that just about killed me....
(b) googling `fat acceptance' and `genetic influence weight' taught me stuff i didn't know; thanks
(c) if this is what some threads are like un-moderated, i'd like to thank everyone who does the moderating; the comments here are usually thoughtful and intelligent....
sadly, i gotto go home and make dinner...
It's TOTALLY those that point out sexism and misogyny that are the ones that ensure sexism and misogyny stay a part of our culture!!!!
Sort of like...A BABY-FLAVORED DONUT? OM NOM NOM.
It's almost too easy to mock them. It's like torpedoing dead fish in a barrel full of molasses in a Minnesota winter.
I am a gamer too, and b/c of that I hold games to a higher standard. I have played some great games that have done nothing to hurt other people, and I have tolerated some games that were less thoughtful (World of Warcraft), seeing the progressive aspects, and still can find valid criticism of them. But this, this Fat Princess game, it could have been done in a better way w/o being so hurtful and insulting. Sure, I bet a lot of people out there think fat is funny, or that fat people are lazy, but for fuck's sake, there is also a large population of people hurting from that laughter. Their crime? Being too disabled to exercise the amount society thinks is appropriate, or they were born w/ crappy genetics, or any other reason that DOESN'T SHED THEIR FUCKING HUMANITY!
Fat shaming and fat hatred is not helping anyone.
Oh, CE, don't confuse the poor thing. That's the only bit of power he thinks he's got.
Totally! It's hard to engineer a big hole in the center--failing the hole, maybe a lump of something dark and bitter?
Oh, yeah, funny HAR HAR! Funny like how the only time characters are black in RE is when they're targets to be destroyed. That's a real knee slapper! You know what's even funnier? When they direct the American voice actor for Barret in Final Fantasy: Advent Children to have an over the top, stereotypical "black" way of speaking. Cuz he's black, get it? OH so funny.
(OH, and see there? I can analyze and criticize my favorite video game-related movie EVER, and not whine like a little baby that the pc police are going to take away my toys. Amazing!)
but i really fail to see how this will teach people to hate fat people.
You could try reading the post Melissa linked to, but I know it's just sooooo hard to actually do the work and challenge your preconceptions.
But even though I Completely Don't Care, I had to come here to tell you this.
(oh, and transphobia too, that's a new one for this thread)
Okay, this? Not so big with the intelligibility.
don't mix evrything! it's like crossing the streams! you'll ruin all the women that way!
if english is your first language, dude, i fear for the future.
What? A well thought out argument on this thread by the 12-year old Wank Brigade? Where?
Hmm. I do not think it means what you think it means.
actually debate with the people who have serious comments, you wouldn't have to look like such a joke.
I don't think you get it. Still. We're really not interested in debating sexist, fatphobic douches. We've all seen and heard it before - none of you are saying anything new, clever, or particularly interesting. That's why we play bingo with your troll droppings. We are having a joke - you people just don't seem to realize that it's at your expense.
There's really no point in "debating" 13-year-old bigots crawling out of their parents' basements. We just think you're funny. So do, please, keep commenting! It's fun!
Every troll-comment and every link makes it more worth it.
Dance, you pathetic sheep. DANCE!
I am sorry I was out when this thread started and that it took so long to get to the bottom. I concur that CE won the thread. I need to let my son have the computer now before he nags me to death.
Last is for Reba- the medievals knew that anger was caused by hot and dry things like cinnamon, pepper, bran and poppyseed. Hope those ingredients are useful in making pathetic anger bread.
where? WHERE are these reasonable and logical arguments?
oh noes, the internetz is going to find me!
There's nothing wrong with being a gamer.
Only with being ignorant, hateful bigots.
It's a puzzling attitude that I see all the time in life. I'm a thin white woman, which aside from the female part pretty much is privilege poster child, yet I actively work for gay rights, try to spread the word regarding the falsehoods perpetrated with the obesity epidemic, and more. Yet when I talk to others about my endeavors, I usually get the "you're not gay/black/fat/experiencing workplace discrimination, why do you CARE?"
I usually say because I care about the plight of my fellow human beings who are being oppressed--and a lot of times I'm met with a response that amounts to "oh brother."
But it's not just an issue over not caring about the plights of others of course, I realize most of it has to do with clinging to one's ability to exert superiority over others. I am a gamer and it's hard to be active in gamer communities because of how many community members relish their ability to stomp upon outsiders, and get no greater satisfaction than taking women down a peg by relentlessly insulting their looks, even for just having the audacity to *be* a female gamer.
Anyway, I guess I'm just rambling now. I just think it's really sad that so many people cannot even fathom or come close to comprehending the idea that someone might care about something they aren't personally affected by.
Oh one other thing--I seriously almost shit myself when I read the comment by the dude who acted like booth babes were a concession to female gamers by involving women at E3. What on earth is getting put in the water to make people so incredibly obtuse???
Bwahaha! Yeah, Sarah. Stop trolling, would you? The rest of us are trying to have a Very Serious Conversation.
It just keeps getting better, honestly.
Lollerskates!
Now, where were these "well-thought out comments" that you speak of? Quote some. Name names.
I suggest getting off the slippery-slope you've found yourself in, and either take this more seriously, or just leave.
Hear that, Sarah? The troll just told you to leave.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
Serious comments? Where?
Um, we're the only people with a "case". You morons have "fat lesbo bitch" and "fat people suck hur hur" for an argument, which, while I might have misread my logic textbook at the time, I am pretty sure isn't an argument to speak of.
an excellent critique of the game is linked in the post. if that's the conversation you want to have, that's the place you want to go. this thread exists basically just to contain the bullshit of the neogaf trolls and their /b/tard pals, so you're really not going to find much in the way of intelligent discourse. several posters have tried engaging. i have yet to find a 'well-thought-out comment' to engage with, though. i've tried with a few, but the posters of those comments have all either left or continued being all upset about no one paying attention to their VRY SRS comments while ignoring anyone who actually does engage. shrug.
TROLLING TEH INTARNET: SRS BISNISS
it really is, you know. if you do it wrong, the internet will find you!
"In"?
"In" a slippery-slope? Would that be within the slippery-ness? Or within the slope itself? If the latter though, wouldn't that then mean that I was 'under' the slippery-slope? Is it kinda a metaphorical "in" then? I'm somehow 'one' with the slippery-slope? I'm the slope, in all its slippery-ness, and the slippery-ness, in its sloped-ness, is me?
And precisely where is the slippery-ness of the slippery-slope slipping me towards precisely? I'm honestly curious here (And slippery. And sloped apparently as well).
I think you're missing something here mate. This entire thread was created so you lot could do your thing and be mocked for it. All that shit that was clogging up the other threads? That's all been concentrated HERE. It worked WONDERFULLY.
Thank you for playing though :)
Yeah, very true. I know a few right now who could make these putzes shrink with terror in a Battle of Wits. Though, I fear, in such a battle, these asinine pieces of shit would come unarmed.
Eclair dough does that, but I'm not sure how or if it would translate easily to a savory bitter dough rather than a sweet one.
More of the same!
I know, lol. I feel me special :)
Personally targeted as a commenter by a troll: Priceless.
I don't even think there would be a "Battle" so much as a slaughter.
LOL!
It's actually really funny to me how often trolls expect to be taken seriously BECAUSE THEY'RE MEN, DAMMIT. How could we be mocking them? Don't we know we should be having a SERIOUS DEBATE in response to their rare pearls of wisdom, such as "Your fat either learn to live with it or put down the fork and lose the weight porky"?
Male privilege in action. They're so invested in it that most of them honestly don't seem to understand that we're making fun of them. It just doesn't compute.
LOL! Totally.
Although, in fairness, a few of them have made me weep...with laughter!
You know, just a suggestion mind you, but maybe if you tried stamping your foot up and down on the ground a bit.
Because, that might help get you taken seriously.
Just a helpful idea.
Oh noes! It disappoints you? Whatever shall we do?
Someone bring me the fainting couch! I fear I may swoon!
you don't get to tell us what our priorities are. and i can not begin to tell you how incredibly saddened i am by your disappointment.
calling someone "fat" or other "malicious" names (as if "fat" is absolutely only to be used as an insult) is not the only criteria for being a troll. check the job description again and apply again next week.
Could be worse; we could have criticized the misogyny of a football player.
That? Is priceless.
anyone who finds this game 'offensive' needs to recheck their priorities, because last I checked, overweight people are being discriminated in many worse situations than a harmless micro-game.
There are multiple bingo squares for "Why are you talking about X instead of Y". You want to control the topics, get your own blog. They're free, you know.
No fucking kidding, fat people are discriminated against horribly. Having it happen in a game is PART OF THE PROBLEM. When it's ok to dehumanize and make fun of a group in all the little ways, it's impossible to prevent it from happening in the big ways too.
rnc, it's not a "better or worse" situation. That discrimination happens at all is wrong; that's like saying, "Oh, we'll only keep the blacks out of just a couple of schools," or "well, it's okay to be gay if you don't flaunt it."
Sorry, but you don't get to make the rules or set the standards.
I know, right? How embarrassing to be so daft they don't even realize that they're dancing monkeys and I'm the organ grinder playing their tune.
[Insert your own double entendre about my "organ grinding" here.]
You must have missed the part where Melissa said that she, her very own self, is a gamer. Reading is fundamental.
The answer to your question is no. But I'm pretty sure that's a bingo space, too!
Since your point seems to be "Nuh-uh!" there's not much to respond to.
No. But thanks for playing!
Hey, Paul, are you still having noisy gay gay gay sex? Can I haz some tu?
Somebody read my brilliant mind.
What? WHAT?? </Pee-Wee>
I mean, its just a game
If it's really just a game, then it would stand to reason that someone ought to be able to say "this sucks" without getting so much abuse from total strangers, doesn't it?
I did. So...you predicted that we were going to continue making fun of you. Would you like a cookie?
In case you haven't noticed, this is not a thread where serious issues are being discussed. (Really, it's been over 800 comments by now - it's kind of obvious, no?) If you'd actually like to have a discussion, I suggest sticking around, familiarizing yourself with the blog, and perhaps commenting on a thread that's not clearly a way for us to make fun of idiots. We're actually pretty friendly, for the most part.
Why is it always FAT PEOPLE that complain.
Why is it always TROLLS who capitalize RANDOMLY and have no grasp of grammar OR punctuation?
Goodness, you must be prescient or something!
You know, at a certain point, most people would have had their clue-stick hit them in the arse. But no, not you.
You're getting REAL close now.
Here, have some more mass.
No! Do tell.
Shakers are awe-inspiring!
REALLY?!
Wow, colour me COMPLETELY shocked. Damn, I completely so just don't know what to say now.
Someone get me a chair please! I'm just totally blown away.
Witness my surprise. -_-
Duncan, that might (or might not) be true, but the fact is that it reinforces a lot of very problematic attitudes toward fat people, many of which are on display right here on this very thread. Pointing these things out is how people become aware of them. Mature individuals respond to having them pointed out with something like, "That's interesting; I hadn't thought of it that way before. I don't know whether I agree, but I'll certainly think about it to examine whether my attitudes could stand to be changed." Typically, one does not reply with "HAHA U FAT LESBO BITCH." Unless, of course, one is a homophobic, misogynist, fat-hating douche, exhibits 1-100 of whom are right here in the comments.
I, personally, was shocked. Shocked, I tell you!
Broce - I know exactly what you mean with the siblings. My sister eats WAY healthier and exercises WAY more than I do (five times a week or more vs zero times a week). She still weighs 30 or 40 pounds more than I do. She is so much healthier than I am. She's also fatter. Big fucking deal.
I weigh 100 pounds. Are you troll motherfuckers going to accuse ME of being a bitter fattie for agreeing with Melissa?
*dies*
The premise of the game is that a naturally thin princess can become fat just by eating and being sedentary. Except that when real scientists did a prisoner study where they tried to change the body weight of real people by more than 25%, they found that those people had to eat ridonculous amounts of food (~10,000 calories/day) to maintain the higher body weight. Their metabolisms just ramped into high gear to burn off the additional food. So a real princess who was overfed wouldn't gain more than ~20% of her body weight: ie, she would go from "thin" to "average."
"HEY CONGRATS ON PUBLICIZING THE GAME HA HA HA HA HA"
Kids, kids. The "all publicity is good publicity" thing is just as untrue as when your mother told you that the other kids mocked you because they were jealous.
"YOU MUST HAVE NO LIFE, MELISSA, BECAUSE YOU KEEP POSTING HERE"
Dudes, this is one of her JOBS. You're doing this in your free time--who's the pathetic one here?
And I'm sure all the clicks here are doing wonders for Melissa's ad revenue. Keep it up--the irony of your stupid "OH YOU'RE ADVERTISING SONY" argument is especially delicious considering that you're actually building her traffic and thus her revenue.
OMG! OMG! Guys, guys: we've GOT A LIVE ONE!
Sadly, I must return the DVD tonight, so I will depart and return immediately to laugh at the fellows whose brains are unfortunately far from reaching a fully developed stage.
No, if you were going to do "full disclosure" you'd admit that you were the same person who posted as Hank earlier.
*blink*
I got nothin'.
Did everyone catch that? Before McDonald's, there were no fat people.
No, no, rlc. We've got plenty of ENERGY to take things seriously. You don't deserve to be taken seriously.
Once more, with feeling: We're not having a discussion.
Would you like me to see if I can use smaller words for you? I realize the concept is difficult to grasp.
Not that the fat-haters will let a few facts get in the way of their "OMG EAT LESS EXERCISE MOAR" rants.
Well, FUCK. Just when I was writing an article on 500-pound G.K. Chesterton, too. Also, who's going to replace Grover Cleveland and Salmon P. Chase on the money?
One of? LOL.
This is my full-time job.
I trust this thread explains why, given what the lack of moderating reveals...
Wow, I totally missed that one. So...I wonder what IS hyperventilating over?
What does that make "getting angry over strangers' opinions about entertainment," then? Double-stupid? Stupid-plus? Stupid squared?
*headdesk* They don't even bother reading, do they? It's hilarious.
How do they dress themselves in the morning?
And lo, doth the clue-stick still remain a-still, poised before it's strike to deliver the clue on its final overdue voyage.
You have no idea how much your approval means to me. No idea.
No idea at all.
Somebody saying that a game sucks, apparently.
I know you think only the things you experience exist, but this blog is actually continuing on outside of this post! Other posts are up! Discussions are being had elsewhere! You are not the center of our universe.
Eat shitz.
Yes, one blog post (among many, on an assortment of subjects) is the equivalent of issuing a fatwa on poor, defenseless Sony!
(Poor, poor Sony! Won't anyone think of the multi-million dollar corporations?!? Sniffle!)
Sitting in front of the computer wearing only your tighty-whiteys all day doesn't take advanced dressing skills.
Eew. That was not a pretty mental image.
How does one assault a game?
Maybe when chucking its crappy console out the window?
I might pop on later after I get there.
This has been an utterly wonderful thread 'Liss ... you rock sweets *big sloppy kiss* I now have a new appreciation for the work you do in the moderated threads.
Throw Pathetic Anger Bread at it.
LOL. Yes, we're all "rotund." Except for those of us who aren't, of course.
Oddly enough, I currently have nothing to respond to.
Hold down the fort.
That's funny. The last time I checked, women weren't a minority. Also, minorities (which apparently means not-white-or-male now) were still people. Funny, that.
After this statement I must depart with haste, the level of idiocy far exceeds what im willing to put up with.
Yeah, Sarah. You're going to have to return that Ph.D. now!
Don't bother replying to this. You still won't get it, and you'll still have that smug superiority complex, as if your shit(comments) doesn't stink.
I'll reply to anything I like, but thanks for admitting ahead of time that you're still too stupid to get it. God, these trolls are funny. Some of them are boring, but this one? Is hilarious. We should keep him around.
This is one of my favorite threads ever. It keeps getting funnier, too. (Oh noes! Is that me getting "smug and superior" again? LOL.)
Translation: I want the last word or I am sooo going to throw a hissy fit.
Dude, once more (with feeling!)
Melissa is a gamer.
Try and check your persecution-complex at the door, OK? Kthxbai.
Also, CE wins because of a Monty Python reference used masterfully. Flewellyn wins for "candy-coated dingleberries of Caligula".
Too busy feeling sorry for himself. And also, he doesn't seem to be very bright.
"Maybe my 4-year-old computer can't handle all the blubber. Guess it's time for an upgrade."
That dood must be treated like such complete shit in the gaming forums. Maybe we should take up a collection.
Sure, I'll toss in a Canadian penny. Can I get a receipt for that?
Those two groups are not mutually exclusive. Which you would know, if you had actually read the post and comments.
Tricksy mods.
I'm sure I can scrounge up some toenail clippings somewhere...
oh noes...
did the internetz finally find us?
Here, have some more mass.
Physics humor FTW!
I'll just say this: Hi, I'm a gamer, too. And I've probably kicked your ass in some MMO or other. I'm also fat, and a feminist.
I'm also happily married (13 years) and thus also get laid regularly. Probably a hell of a lot more than some anti-social 14-year-old who has yet to even get close enough to a woman to smell her, much less cop a feel. Which is the only way they WOULD be able to do so, because no woman in her right mind would ever consciously let their grubby hands anywhere near her.
And split an infinitive.
Dumbass, that actually means where you argue for a point of logic that isn't predicated by a concern for what the "populus" believes. Here, on our own fucking blog, yes, the consensus of the regular posters and not some anonymous ass is a valid logical point.
Work on that faulty understanding of logic, there meep.
Actually, Someone, Feministing posted an article last year about overweight, moderately ineffectual and bumbling dudes being married to thin, beautiful, capable women, and how it was an unfair portrayal both to men and women by making women the ones who have to clean up messes made by men. See how that insults both sexes? See how feminists actually give a shit? And before you mistake me, that's not the only feminist article on the subject. You could do the research, but I get the feeling you don't care and are deliberately obtuse.
he's boring.
and obviously dense. no one here has made thoughtful dissenting arguments, b/c "it's just a game", "fat is evil" and "you are all fat lazy lesbos" are not real arguments, thoughtful or otherwise.
I can see you are trying to ban him, can we ignore him, too?
and get back to the interesting trolls, if there are any?
LOL!
In fact, that fact that I had to spell it out for you earns you an "EPIC FAIL" macro. Enjoy, masturbatory basement dweller!
*applause*
Bravo my fellow shakers, what an awesome job!! Just scrolling thru was fun!
1. I make a thought-out post calling out weaknesses in your posts/the main issue.
2. You reply thinking you've 'got me' or that I'm being laughed at by an anonymous jury of commenters
3. I make another reply stating precisely why its untrue, or why your generalizations are false and don't do anything to help either one of us
4. I make that known to you, and you fall back on step 2
5. you read this and 'step 2' it as well.
Following the thread: Fail.
Oh, and your step one? Never happened. Concern trolling isn't actually considered a well-thought out address of points.
You have applied that logical fallacy inaccurately.
Do you know that languages are capitalized? Latin. Not latin.
My mind is totally blown, though. Probably not the way you intend, but I'm really, really enjoying your inability to understand the entire point of this thread. Just because you've decided that you are having a Serious Discussion doesn't mean that everyone else has to do so also.
Gosh, I hope this guy keeps posting.
Yet, we still have another question unanswered and that question lies on the grounds of "intent". Do you think that the creator of this game intended to belittle the obese? I, for one, think not. If they wanted to belittle the obese, they would have taken it to a much higher level than what we see here. What about women? Are we seeing a statement that women are helpless? I'll concede to a maybe here. Yet, that being said, the games is based around that classic "knights and princess" mythology which is where that "women are helpless" sentiment is coming from. So, I think we can say that your real issue is with the mythology the game is based on and not in something the gaming company actually came up with. Finally, you used the word "heteronormative" which, from what I can gather, implies that you have an issue with men saving women or something along those lines. Either way, the reason we see a "hetero" spin on this game is two-fold. The first reason being what I mentioned before about the game being rooted in an old fashioned mythology. As for the second reason (and this is going to be the one you don't like), the majority of the populace is heterosexual or at least likes to identify themselves as such. Ergo, what you end up seeing is a gaming company producing a game with a concept that is easily identifiable to their consumer base -- a smart move, obviously.
Of course, those reasons are based in nothing more than logic and your contempt for this game only resides partially in logic with the rest remaining in the emotion realm. In addition, we all know that emotions are generally not quelled by logic so we can safely say that what I have written above is not enough to satisfy you. So, assuming you take a cold, hard "I understand why but I still dislike it approach", which you are allowed to do we need to put this in perspective. You, being who you are, do not like this game because it triggers some negative response in you -- fair enough. But, how can you logically convey that response to another being? Simply put, you can't. You can try with logic and so on but that's going to fail because another can counter with equally logical arguments. So, at the end of the day, you're going to have to agree to disagree. You can't quash another's beliefs just because yours are contradictory. I mean, honestly, if that was the case, what's to stop them from stomping all over your belief system?
Still, the root of the matter is that your belief system is at odds with the gaming company's and its users. Now, I ask you, why does this matter? Who cares what the company believes or what the users enjoy? Are you going to ruin their fun because you are bothered that they are enjoying something which has morals that don't line up with yours? What right do you have to do such a thing? Also, even if you do find a way to take the game away, their belief systems remain intact so what have you gained? Do you now feel more accepted? Do you feel like you've taught them a lesson in how to accept someone else's differences? If that's the message you're trying to get across how about you first accept their differences (being that they have a contrary belief system) and let well enough alone. All you will succeed in doing here is drawing negative attention to yourself and your "side" by fanning the flames and then trying to take the martyrs' way out.
I know it seems unfair, I know that deep down you're hurt because you feel like people are deriving enjoyment from a mockery of your belief system and I know that you might mean good by trying to rectify some backwards morals here. Still, the point remains, people are different and people enjoy different things; you cannot change this inherent fact so why attack a group of people as you have done? I don't know if you'll ever bothering reading all of this and, assuming that you do, I don't know that it will have even the slightest impact. My writing here might be nothing more than "mental masturbation" on some random person's blog but at least I gave it a shot. Also, as a side note, don't you think you're a little old to be starting crap on the internet? I mean, seriously, get over yourself and do something that actually contributes to society or, at the bare minimum, do something a little more mature -- it's a little pathetic how seriously you, your online "friends" and the "haters" are taking this.
Finally, if anyone reading this does respond, do not expect a response back -- I highly doubt I will return here. So, to all of you, feel free to rip apart my post and what not; I won't be any the wiser.
None has none.
WTF are you talking about? Corner? You are whinging on about how no one will have discussion with you.
The subject of this post is the fact that a massive group of idiots descended on this blog in the last 24 hours -- what part of that did you want to discuss?
Fuck You.
No, just kidding.
Here's the basics, get ready to have your mind BLOWN!
A. Fat is not always unhealthy.(I have some many stats to back this up, but I'm Lazy.
B. You can't tell if a person is unhealthy just by looking at them.
C. Whether or not a person is unhealthy is really none of your fucking business, and should not be used as a marker for morality.
In summation: Bite me.
Also Duncan, FYI whether or not something is done with the intention of being cruel has no effect on whether or not it is cruel. I might not have the intention of hurting someone by kicking them hard in the nuts, but it would hurt them none the less.
Hey, asshole -- no one is the mouthpiece of the entire community around here. That's the way it's designed.
If anyone were, it would be me, given that it's my fucking blog -- and I wouldn't in a million years assert that I speak for everyone.
So howsabout you STFU since you've not the faintest modicum of a clue about this place.
LOL. Yes, we're all "rotund." Except for those of us who aren't, of course.
And/or those of us who havent been "chicks" either ever, or for decades before this twit was born.
For God's sake, man, she attacked a consumer product.
"What we Shakers are doing here is just aggressive. We are deliberately using sarcastic and insulting language in a most aggressive way. We don't do passive, that's why we are feminists.".
Amen to that. Now I'm going to go make dinner, thinking about how I wish I was more like my new heros of this thread, Esme and Sarah in Chicago.
*Teaspoon salute to Melissa*
Ignorant of what, dude? A bunch of people who think "fat lesbo bitch" is an argument? Jesus Hippie Christ, I wish it were so. And, that "few posters" you are discussing is a good number of regular posters.
I really hope you don't consider yourself part of this community, btw.
From a comment 1,043 words in length.
By comparison, my original post was 217 words, 64 of which were a blockquote.
More making my point for me, please!
go lightly dude
ok. Let's go through this slowly. Argumentum ad populum is an argument which states, basically, that because something is a popular belief it must be true. I made no such assertion. I was observing behavior. I said that the regulars have formed a consensus that there is no discussion to be had here. That is an observation. If I say most people in the room have brown hair, and you have blonde hair, that is not an argument that is an observation.
Believe it all you want, that you same 5 people who keep posting are the mouthpiece of the entire community.
Look at the community page. Up at the top on the right, do you see that? It lists the top commenters? Do you see the name at the top? Do you see the next four names? Now, do those names look familiar? I think they should. Maybe people who read the blog and participate are in a better position to know which people represent the community here than a troll who comes to one thread, hm?
I don't think so, Spudsy, but I do believe that the 1000th commenter should get a complimentary Internets Tradition.
Shorter "none." Rant disguised as serious discourse, then stomps out. "I won't be any the wiser." Hey, you said it, not me.
this from someone with only one comment
I'll bet. LOL.
do not expect a response back -- I highly doubt I will return here.
Now with bonus flouncing! Go lightly, dood!
It's the same chump concern troll who keeps changing his name.
Said as though my little 200-word post hasn't been 'round the internetz and back again and generated a thousand-comment thread and inbox full of people who seem to care a hell of a lot what I say.
Yep, you're right, bub. My little "phase" as an "internet blogger" is really showing how immature and ineffectual I am.
U R really smart. And stuff.
Whether they do or not, I do.
Thank you.
(((HUGE HUG)))
Moving on.
If it's just a game, why do the trolls care what one person's opinion of it is?
Internet Tough Guyz:
I AM HERE TO FIGHT THE FASCISM ON YOUR BLOG BY SHUTTING DOWN ALL YOUR OPINIONS THAT ARE DIFFERENT THAN MINE!!!
Just out of curiosity, troll, what can you tell us about Heisenberg? LOL.
LOLOLOLOLOLOL
ROFLMAO
Nope. Just amusing.
Is it necessary for you to comment in this thread? No? Looks like "adults" do unnecessary things sometimes, huh?
::DIES!::
so they can boost e-cred among the other posters.
ROFLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BWAH! No, see, I've tried to be a regular commenter, but for some totally inexplicable reason, I keep getting banned!
Man, this thread just gets better and better.
You had a point? It seemed more like you had a hissy fit.
*My* point was that it's hard to take you seriously if you can't follow very simple conventions of written language. Of course, there are one or two or twenty other reasons why it's difficult to take you seriously, but that's what I was getting at when I pointed out that "Latin" should be capitalized.
"Where do you people keep coming from wtf."
Hee, "you people." Stamp your feet some more!
I, personally, come from teh internetz. Which is where every one of us people is coming from, seeing as we're talking here on...teh internetz.
Heh -- he hasn't threatened to sue me yet, either. Or report Portly Dyke to "her superior," lololol.
Careful, he's going to sue you!
LOL. Also: Moses supposes his toses are roses, but Moses supposes erroneously!
/huge Singin In The Rain fan
Do understand the term "Argumentum ad populum" It's latin.
Followed, no less, By Look It Up!
BWA-HA-HA-HA!
*wipes eyes* in case anyone was missing Julius.....
I will second that, and also say that you are one fat fucking honorary-lesbo bitch, so I give you a double salute!
q^-^p
For which we all thank you, I assure you. This has been a welcome balm to my laughter-starved heart, this thread here today.
But really, shouldn't you be outside somewhere -- exercising? I mean, you wouldn't want to get fat, would you?
I will send for the wheelbarrows for body removal.
Oh, even better, a credentials-off! Did Liss say anything about academic credentials? Or were you just dying to get that in there? Because I kind of already know. This is hee-larious.
I just sent Liss a donation in the trolls' honor as well. I hope she uses it to buy LOTS AND LOTS OF CAKE.
Do you know argumentum ad verecundiam? It's Latin.
LOLZ I KIN DU IT TUU!
Nah. She'll probably spend it on OMGShoezzz -- after all, why buy cake when there's all this free pathetic anger bread lying around?
As opposed to the troll with the Very Serious Degree? FSM, it almost couldn't get better.
LOL! OMG, do you seriously consider my noting that my blog is popular and I've got a busy inbox stating my "credentials"? Wow.
Now I just feel sorry for you.
tries to find cover.
I love this place.
Let it then not be said that a doctorate in Astrophysics keeps you from being a dumbass, if the Doc hear is actually telling the truth.
Ditto, and sent in honor of her new title fat fucking honorary-lesbo bitch
I am SO PROUD!
"i'm not sure..."
LOL!!!
This thread is, in fact, DEDICATED to whack-a-troll -- or haven't you noticed?
Apparently, lots of people care what Melissa thinks. Lots of people who are just horrified to find out that nobody here cares what they think.
I know a Ph.D. in astrophysics. He's a misogynistic douce too.
Hmm. No such school. Do you mean CSULA? It seems like a former teacher would use the correct abbreviation, doesn't it?
This is fun!
Why, yes, of course. I often tell people that I'm less than human at least twice a day.
ROFL. The troll has no advanced degree in any kind of physics. If it did, it would know you can't "scan a Ph.D". And it would certainly have better language skills if it had written a successful dissertation.
Yeah, yeah -- actually I DID go away and work (for a while) . . . . . but I'm hopeless, really. This is why there have been days recently during which I have not. even. opened. my browser. I have no self-control.
You said you had one. We just can't find it.
as the daughter of a P.H.D. in astrophysics , believe me , that doesn't get you a "get out of being a huge , misogynist douche free" card.
Oh, he's made several points. It's just that none of them are what he thinks they were.
"Bring out your dead!"
Although to be fair, I deal a lot more with atmospheric physics.
PD that is why I didn't open my browser until 3:30pm today and now I have had the most fun in weeks. You all rock!
Don't we all.
LOLOLOL
Hawking radiation. They gradually evaporate, I think.
I'm basically guessing. ;)
Which DOESN'T OFFER DOCTORAL DEGREES IN ANYTHING EXCEPT EDUCATION.
Oh, so much fail right there.
Don't we all.
LOLOLOL
hey, you can totally scan a nekkid picture of yourself and send it to me.
Cal State LA doesn't offer a Ph. D. program in physics of any kind. The only doctoral degrees they offer are in education.
It's right there on their website.
And don't try to say that you went to UCLA. Nobody who went to UCLA would call it Cal State LA.
BAH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
I like Insulsissimus est homo.
Do you know Te futueo et caballum tuum? That's also Latin.
ROFLMAO!
No, we are mocking a bunch of fucknecks who came to this blog to insult, harass and degrade someone who didn't like a video game.
You don't see us going to other forums and harassing people who play the game. That's the difference.
Which would be obvious if you weren't just a concern troll.
How do you feel!?!?!?
I find it ironic that you don't know how to read. (Or know the definition of the word "ironic", but that's another issue.)
There is no "crusade". Melissa had an opinion. She expressed the opinion in a brief blog post.
The only "crusade" going on is the avalanche of idiots coming over here to either type childish insults or to argue that Melissa's opinion is unimportant (over and over and over, thus showing how important they seem to think it is).
Thank you ever so much for letting us know what's offensive! Man, I can breathe more easily now.
I think it has something to do with segregation, too! And being in college! Or something.
oops did I just say that?
but seriously...this has been so fun!
So lighten up and have a little fun. Or are you one of those people whom Jacques Brel once said that if you had your way, you'd paint the world the color of goose shit?
(Wow, Monty Python, Caligula, and now Brel!)
He's going to DisneyWorld!
So do the rest of us, Trolly McTrollerson.
Yay, Jack! Congrats on your Internetz Tradition!
And so very, very . . . . tired.
Thanks Portly! *air kisses*
It had better be baby-flavored cake!
So, when this thread hits 1000 comments, do we get champagne and noisemakers?
I don't know, but if I don't get some pathetic anger bread, I'm going to be angry. Pathetically.
"Having an opinion" does not equal "being angry."
Melissa has an opinion. You are being angry. If her opinion means nothing to you, why are you taking time out of your busy day to post a rant that is several times as long as her original blog post?
STOP MAKING YOURSELF SO ANGRY, DUDE!
But it's all empty and oogy!
I didn't want to presume. :)
See this, r-whosis? THIS is Argumentum ad Populum. This has been J.Goff's guide to shit a supposed Ph.D Should Probably Know Had He Actually Gotten a Ph.D.
Love,
Your body.
ROFL. This thread wins all internet traditionz.
I'm not even sure where my doctoral diploma is. I think it's in a back closet somewhere. Because, you know, it's not a part of my identity that I like to bash people over the head with when I'm losing an argument. Dude, if you think spouting off "Ph.D" is going to impress anyone around here, you're going to be sorely disappointed. Especially if you refer to a school that doesn't have such a program.
As for the rest of what you wrote, please go back about 800 comments and read where your points are all disassembled. And very deftly, too.
::sigh:: Why is this so hard to understand? Some guys are thinking TV contributes to autism... does it contribute to a lack of critical thinking, too??
A Doctoral Program?
I promise you, snookums, you have no idea how much we were entertained by this.
Seriously feminists bitch when the girls are good looking and they bitch when they are fat.
WHAT DO YOU WANT!?
What I want, I already have in my current MMO (LOTRO): A wide range of potential female characters, with the ability to adjust body size and facial features and clothing and armor that's actually functional, and not just tinfoil pasties.
That's the thing I've never, ever understood about the female characters in most games: Why the HELL don't they wear functional armor? Competent warriors don't leave their chests and abdomens exposed. You can't melee in a bikini. And you can't swing a sword when your boobs are so disproportionately big they're making you fall over. Or when your long, flowing pink hair is getting in your eyes.
I like playing games. I like kicking ass. I like wielding weaponry and taking down bad guys. But for the love of fuck, why do so few games allow me to do so with any actual functional armor and character physics? Is it really too much to ask?
OHHHHHHH wait, I don't find you attractive. What does that mean?
Love,
Your body.
Ow. I just laughed so hard it hurt.
They're just all sphincter-stingity because someone DDoS'ed 4chan again and they have nothing else to do now that /b/'s down and they're denied their treasure trove of crappy porn. Trufax.
Well, having known some douches who were also mechanical engineers, I should say your post might not be bullshit. But, just in case, be sure to learn where the apostrophe is on a keyboard, as well as the shift button before you expound on how smart you are.
By the way, the apostrophe looks like this: '
Do mechanical engineers (uh huh) get a free pass on punctuation, or something? I seem to be in the wrong field.
I also think it's hilarious how many of our trolls get Very! Defensive! About! Their! Smartz! (Hint: It makes you look even dumber. Nobody's impressed by your degree, your IQ, or your profession. I promise.)
BAH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!! *wipes tears from eyes*
In some of my classes, I try to teach basic writing to mechanical engineers. As a general rule, they no has communication skillz. Batshit crazy creationists are also overly heavy in mechanical engineers. So using that to try to gain intelligence cred? Not so much.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!! *gasp* LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!
Man, my sides are killing me.
How the hell did you get a degree in mechanical engineering without the basic knowledge of Grade 5 grammar and punctuation?
As someone who works with a whole lotta PhD'd mechanical engineers who haven't figured out how to work the photocopier and/or read, colour me not impressed.
I'm sorry to say, Mustang Bobby.... it's not that uncommon.
Uh, I'm gay, but thanks for playing our game.
LOLOLOLOL
Here's a little hint from me to you: when insulting someone's intelligence it's a good idea to use apostrophes and capitalization appropriately.
Also im not mad, i didnt make a blog flipping off an entertainment company like Sony, that's just stupid.
Oh, and complete, grammatically correct sentences as well. Otherwise it might be difficult for me to believe that you are so much smarter than I.
Unless you're a MENSA member, that's a bet I'd totally be willing to take.
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
Is anyone else endlessly entertained by the fact that trolls never actually flounce when they say they're flouncing?
Trust me, MB. When we created a technical manual for an air motor we had to build, one of my group member's had the task of writing an introduction that was supposed to describe the air motor. The entire page was riddled with punctuation mistakes, homophone mistakes, and most egregious of all: he spelled "motor" like "moder". True fucking story.
Is grammar optional or something? Or has ee cummings come back from the dead?
and congrats on your internet tradition, JG! I was away working on a post! yay!
what are you going to do w/ your new found fame/notoriety?
Actually, I got my M.S. in 1964, and my Ph.D. in 1968. And there IS a physics program at CSLA.
Oh, I see. They just don't put it on the website because they're afraid too many people would want one?
You're the one that brought your credentials into this, meep.
Half? Admittedly my IQ is in the paltry 150 range, but I've never met anyone with a 300 IQ before. I'll take that bet. Let's make it a year's salary, shall we? Mine, not yours. I doubt you make what I do.
Ginmar! I only have one clean pair of undies left! Have a heart!
Not anymore. Although I fail to see what that has to do with anything, just like I fail to see what my credentials bring to this. If you guessed they both bring "nothing" new to the table, then you are exactly right.
I think people may have mistaken my credential related sarcasm with something that somehow proves I'm right on a point that isn't even clear anymore.
Betty's not here so I'll translate:
When I make mistakes or am wrong or embarrass myself it's everyone else's fault.
Better work around is to rip the javascript widget from the page and make a new html file. It doesn't even hit any of the images or waste any bandwidth, and I set it to load the last 50 comments and the comment box ONLY.
They think 'research' means masturbation.
FTW! ginmar
Well, MB took the funny response to this, so I'll just say I'll invest the money I make from fame into a trust fund to give R-whosis a chance to earn a real degree from a real doctoral program, so he can feel better about himself.
Ginmar! I only have one clean pair of undies left! Have a heart!
Yeah, Ginmar, geeze. Poor PD will have to become our own pantyless celebrity!
And you're assuming that all feminists are women.... they're not. And some are bears. Woof.
Oh, dear. We have a limitless supply of trolls, though.
My favorite is Ph.D boy, peddling faster and faster: "Um, they did THEN. Yeah, THEN. When they didn't even have WEBSITES! Neener neener neener! I win!"
Gah.
Poor PD will have to become our own pantyless celebrity!
Cue the paparazzi. W00t!
Yeah! Calling someone a loser for trolling a blog is totally worse than calling someone a fat bitch!
Uh, not when the premise of said joker's post is about how smart he is. Correcting asswipes who are announcing their genius to the world is our solemn duty.
Genetics. And speaking as a thin woman who has horrendously bad knees... FAIL.
Yeah, funny how starving will make everybody look the same.
h... and BTW... the art and concept for the game were developed by *gasp* A WOMAN!
Bingo bingo bingo bingo!!!!! I got bingo!
i gather your fat(i am phd)i decide what is acceptable(i am a white male,my dear)
i fear
you are not hearing me(you are not doing what i say,sweetie)i am the world(you will laugh when i do, dumm bith) because i think you are the size of the sun not as bright as the sun like ur sycophants do lol? and im mensa and i think you dont understand that i am judging you to not be right for me is you
here is the deepest secret noone knows(one time in grade school some dumm bith was smarter than i and had no interest in me;she broke my heart and girls dont like me) and its a wonder when im gaming i even know where to push start
i try to break your heart(because girls always break my heart)
Oh, dude. We just got pwned.
Or something.
the circular logic astounds me.
i am bored w/ the trolls again. they are so unoriginal.
and, FTR, i do know where my shift key is, i just don't give a flying fuck.
Sigh. Ginmar, I have so much to learn. Don't give up on me!
You have to love the sockpuppets, though.
I do think it's funny that our...what...eighth concern troll's main point is that it isn't fat-hating, because the rescuers love the princess despite her royal fatness. Because that type of frame isn't about fat-hate at all. I believe that this has reached ludicrous speed, and we've gone plaid.
Yeah, except that the "interweb" is a written form of communication. So doing it by using the accepted form grammar, punctuation, and spelling is sort of, you know, essential.
FTW!
R_Shackleford, do you realize that you wrote a comment three times as long as Melissa's original blog post about the game? Way to show how unimportant her opinion is to you, dude.
But once again, logic, reason, and facts are lost on these idiots.
But once again, logic, reason, and facts are lost on these idiots.
Racism and such extreme fat-hatred that they'd rather see enforced starvation through poverty than someone who is fat and healthy. Such lovely people.
O now I get it!!! Even though she's a disgusting fatty fat fat, you hold your nose and rescue her anyway. That just hadn't been explained clearly yet so I didn't understand how I waz all wrong.
That was in reference to a comment since deleted.
Hahahaha! The stupid and shallow troll is whining and crying because he is so stupid and so shallow he can't bear that somebody has a different opinion. And she's a girl!
Good times, people. Good times.
ha!
LOLOLOLOL
Really?
The question must be asked: Is our children learning? Evidence indicates that our children is not.
Fascist! I'm gonna sue!
The most intelligent thing they've said all day.
Given his druthers, I'm guessing Iain actually wants you stupid fucks to stop harassing his wife. But "ZOMG HE THINKZ UR FATTY" works too, I guess. If you're, you know, a stupid fuck.
Pancake rings sound tasty!
i'm glad this site exists. it gives me hope and makes me think that maybe the impending idiocracy can be staved off for another few generations.
ooooooo! You'll be oppressing them! They'll complain to upper management.
nope not learning. just whining.
Looks like another troll needs remedial reading edumacation. Did you miss the part where Melissa said she was a gamer?
It's a little depressing to watch this many people fail at life. But it's also funny, so wev.
...says the troll.
The lulz just keep coming, folks.
That's why they all had to come here and tell us how much they didn't give a shit!
You so totally don't give a shit that you took the time to tell us about it.
No, she made this thread in response to something that had ALREADY come -- a bunch of whining brats who were intent on abusive language, destructive behavior, and whining, whining, whiiiiiining.
She merely posted to her blog. She did not "invite" or "ask for" that deluge. Their actions are on their own heads.
If that's "your" community, I hope that you're feeling deeply ashamed right now.
Where do we order the smart trolls? I would donate more money for some of those.
SOOOOO not true.
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!
I hope this game sells above and beyond, to prove to get no one gives a shit about whining cunts.
... Oh, dear. I don't even know where to start.
Aww, PD, you're the best. Do I get a tittywrap hug? :D
That is factually incorrect, and I believe that you know it is factually incorrect. Many of us (myself included) are gamers. We haven't stereotyped anyone -- we have pointed directly to the idiots who have showed up here en masse and hurled hundreds upon hundreds of infantile, idiotic, bigoted, and mind-bendingly stupid phrases.
Why take the test if you know you're going to fail?
Actually, no, for the ten millionth time, Liss plays videogames, and we're calling all these totally unhinged hateful lunatics swarming and harassing Liss and the community loud, bigoted fanboys.
For fuck's sake, you useless douche, try to keep up.
You have (wrongfully) stereotyped that anyone who plays videogames is a loud, bigoted "fanboy".
Once again...reading is fundamental. Melissa is a gamer. Many of the Shakesville regulars are gamers, including quite a few of the feminists on this thread.
Do they not bother to read, or do they have problems understanding?
Well, the thing is is that there ARE loud, bigoted male gamers and we're talking about them specifically.
We aren't mocking you guys because you are men, we are mocking you for your behavior, which is childish and ridiculous. If you'll notice (ha!) there are male feminists commenting, too, and they are not being mocked. Also, if you'll take the time to read through even a few comments before yours you'll notice (ha!), many women here are gamers. But go ahead and assume that anyone who disagrees with the almighty Y.O.U. can't possibly have a valid argument.
Also, WHAT THE FUCK is up with adults who can't handle swearing? Seriously?
::Waits;:
No one is accusing me of being a loud, bigoted fanboy... hmmmm.....
I think the former. Their heads are too full of mob mentality to do anything than ejaculate pre-conceived notions across the keyboard.
When girls do it, it means fewer teenage boys will want to make the sexy with us. Which is UNACCEPTABLE.
So sorry, CE. I wouldnt want to interfere with your thought processes...you never know what brilliance might issue forth from *your* genitalia ;-)
Intent doesn't matter. Whether it was 'intentionally offensive' is irrelevant - accidental offensiveness has the same effect. and merely indicates thoughtlessness and incompetance.
However, I disagree with you. I DO think it was a deliberate 'ha, ha, look at the fat chick' joke.
No arguement there. But also no excuse. 'Oh, but all the games are sexist, misogynist crap' is hardly a reason to continue to produce sexist, misogynist crap.
Well, gee, now you've explained it like that all my objections have just melted away like hot butter.
Holy crap. Do you really believe that makes the game less offensive?
seriously! I have never understood that either! my other favorite is that swearing somehow means you are unintelligent b/c you can't think of better things to say.
sometime, "fuck" is exactly what I wanted to say. exactly the fucking sentiment I wish to express.
while I may know dozens of other words to say the same thing, I DIDN'T FUCKING WANT TO USE THEM.
we swear. girls swear.
get over it.
Oh, the trolls are enjoying themselves, too? That's so cute. For some reason, that makes the whole thing even funnier.
I cannot tell you how excited I am that it only took almost 1200 comments for someone to realize this.
Is there somewhere appropriate to actually discuss the game and the related issues around here right now?
There used to be, until the trolls showed up.
Really? Because your post is important only for the lulz it delivers. And the word-to-lulz ratio is, sadly, far too high. FAIL!
PD, hold your arms out, I'm flinging a Costco sized pack of comfy granny panties across the sound for you!
Wrong again. This is not mocking those who "disagreed" with the post. This is mocking those who took tons and tons and tons and hours and hours and hours of energy (and are still doing it) to deign to tell a "fat lesbo bitch" that she was making TOO BIG A DEAL out of nothing.
And the ton that those commenters set, and the way they went about it, for me, took "civil discussion" off the fucking table. I do not have to be "civil" to people who treat me like crap. It would be stupid and debasing for me to do so.
This is a community standing up and saying "No" to group bullying and abuse. Period.
And fuckers, if you think you will wear me down -- I'm 52 years old and you have no idea what kind of crap I've had to fight. You are gnats by comparison.
CE: I cannot tell you how excited I am that it only took almost 1200 comments for someone to realize this.
Especially because Liss pretty much says this in the original post.
I'm actually gaming while fighting trolls. I guess the difference is all about intelligence level, Space Cowboy.
My heroine! {{{OmamajaneO}}} -- Long time no see, GF!
I'm doing both! :D
Peter M, that word does not mean what you think it means. FAIL
Why should you ever see another person as your problem to fix?
Nobody's debating you, douchenozzle. We're mocking you. There's a difference.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! reeding comprahenshun FAIL!
It's hilarious - every time we get a new troll infestation, I find myself muttering, "Thank FSM I'm gay, thank FSM I'm gay..."
Especially because Liss pretty much says this in the original post.
Yeah, well, not so much on the reading skillz for most of them. LOL.
Caitiff poltroons! An end to your shenanigans!
I just wanted to clear that up because you seem to be confused about what happened.
I'm sure you're going out right now to tell all the misogynists and anti-fat bigots to cut it the fuck out, right?
Also, only a complete idiot uses evo-psych bullshit like "boyz are visual so we can't help anything we do".
You're so lucky, CE. I get to curse my heterosexuality every. damn. time. Sob.
As a psych major, I'm personally offended by any keyboard-psychologist that tries to use something he read about on Wikipedia and doesn't understand to justify his asshole-y behavior.
Seconded.
Small things amuse very small minds.
She doesn't have value as a person in the game. She's a symbol. A thing to win.
So.. way to go, she doesn't lose value as a completely inactive object! Great point!
The only things impinging on my quality of life are assholes like you.
Yeah, and I have to curse my heterosexuality, but at least I can console myself that I'm *old*
Matt, I am sure you can find some sites where hearty and vigorous debate of the merits and demerits of this particular electrical plaything is underway. I suggest you use the Google that everyone has been speaking so much about. That should help you find some people who care a whit about your opinion.
Yeah...no one's feelings are hurt. Once again.
OMIGOSH! Brilliant! And while we're at it... why haven't LGBTQ people thot of this yet? I mean, if you're not GAY! you won't have to deal with homophobia, so it won't matter!
By Jove, sir! You have created an hilarious parody of a complete cretin! I congratulate you.
PSA FOR ANTI-FAT TROLLS:
You're going to die someday. Exercise will not save you. Eating 1200 calories a day will not save you. You are going to die. In fact, considering your unrelenting stupidity, I would not be at all surprised if it is sooner rather than later.
MISANDRIST!
Am I too late?
Yeah, I've been told that chicks totally dig that.
Yeah, I've been told that chicks totally dig that.
As a former English major I only find such symbols sexy when they are used appropriately.
It's all in the fingering, Graham, all in the fingering.
Well, I would assume people around here would be interested in the topic of the game, what with the blog posts and hundreds of comments about it. Apparently things work differently 'round these parts.
If you had actually READ the blog post, you would see that the topic of the game was another post entirely, and this one was all about mocking the people who made idiotic comments about the other one. Then those same people started showing up and making idiotic comments in person, and it all went downhill (hilariously) from there.
Well, fuck. She SO wanted to meet you.
Reverse racism! (or racism against white people)
and Stop Trying to Censor Me! - bonus points for explaining how the 1st Amendment allows people to say things that you find reprehensible.
Well, fuck. She SO wanted to meet you.
Yeah, we'd better break that news gently. Liss is going to be devastated that some troll who doesn't know how to spell her name doesn't want to meet her.
Oh yeah. I forgot.
That generally means -- you've been banned. Funny, that.
where could they be?
Hehe, aww.
Why, Matt, you young spalpeen! Do you know what my dear old grandfather, Obadiah J. Grumbles, used to say to me when I was just a wee nipper?
"Never assume, because when you assume, you make an ASS of YOU...and ME sides won't stop aching from the mocking laughter."
In all seriousness, though, sir, let me say once more that there was a time on this electronical news bulletin when the comments were open for discussion. Alas, instead of "discussion", some ignorami saw fit to launch a fusillade of juvenile rhodomontade that, frankly, made them look like foul ruffians.
And this, Matt, is why you can't have nice things.
That's funny -- I was sure I left them right next to the Weapons of Mass Destruction.
Yeah me either... as a matter of fact I've been lurking and snickering on and off all day
Except the hour my fat ass was doing pilates, cuz imagine that a fat chick working out >_>;;;
No, I'm pretty sure the argument is that we were quite willing to discuss the matter like adults yesterday, but after 24 hours of vicious onslaught, that time has passed. On the subject of Fat Princess, we've all arrived at the Douchebag Mockery Stage, and ne'er shall we return.
oh, well that makes sense then. they must have been moved w/ everything else then!
By Jove, at that rate he could really give the cranberry sauce what for at Thanksgiving!
Erin, stop lying. Fat people don't work out. They eat cake and destroy the world. I know it's true because someone told me in ALL CAPS.
"It's Satire!"
also
"It's just a game/movie/cartoon...fiction!!" (then proceeds to whine about dumb sitcom dads, as if dumb sitcom dads were invented by feminists and haven't existed since before "The Honeymooners" premiered)
And would you happen to have any French Baby Crullers? (So eggy ...)
Isn't it, though?
Good night, fair Shakers. It's been fun. ;)
Facts SUCK, don't they? Many parts of Africa are actually going through an "obesity crisis" right now.
Also, don't you know that gluttony is a BIBLICAL SIN!?
Actually, gluttony is considered hogging all your food while those around you starve. Sorry, but I donate to several charities.
Do you eat so much because it makes you feel better?
It's funny. I get this pain we humans call "hunger." I eat. I feel better. Pretty much like the rest of the human race.
I bet it doesn't, how does it feel to know that there are sweet, normal women out there who are not complaining all the time every time someone mocks a fat person for something that is ENTIRELY THEIR FAULT? You chose to eat too much and NOT do exercises...
You chose to fail logic class, apparently. Seeing that weight is mainly genetic (yes, go ahead and do the research, I have several times), it would be impossible for "normal" weight women to ever be fat, no matter how much they eat and the exercise they don't do. But, isn't it funny? Only fat people get blamed for not doing so, even though a thin person is doing the SAME amount of damage to their body.
It's NOT normal to be fat, it's NOT good.
Then why is fat a normal substance found in every single human body?
Also don't go around calling people mysogonists (or whatever)
Honey, you've dedicated a whole comment section to making fun of people because they have an opinion you don't agree with. Do you enjoy being a hypocrite? Did you enjoy your flunking grades in spelling?
FREEDOM OF SPEECH: AWESOME!
Freedom of speech NOT worth listening to? PRICELESS! Fucking loser.
My fat sister is (imagine this) married to a gamer. He is a notorious loser who smokes pot and plays video games when he's not working. My sister has plans to ditch him (because she actually has kids and a life she cares about) and I am looking forward to that day.
All his friends are exactly the same. So, I image many of the trolls here are the same. I pity them. Most likely, many live in their mom's basement - probably unemployed.
Most (if not all) have probably never been in contact with a real women, much less touched one.
Win.
There was also an interesting study that suggested that a person's health depended more on what they thought of their bodies than what their bodies actually weighed. So a fat person with health problems could very well just be showing the effects of years of culture-inflicted self-loathing and shame. I won't provide links on this troll-infested thread, because I like those bloggers and I don't want them to be sad, but you can probably find posts on those fat acceptance blogs from a few months back, I forget when exactly.
And thanks, everyone, for the laughs. I'm still chortling over "zombie Jonathan Swift". Hee!
Another bingo card moment here. I wish people would understand that you can worry about Bush AND Darfur AND Fat Princess AND literally anything else all at the same time.
OMFG. BEST COMMENT EVAR.
1) create a male toon who's armor consists of a mesh thong
2)use the slider bar to make his male package bigger or smaller
3) /dance and watch him do the pole dance booty shake
4) rescue the male hottie in distress and have him offer to "buff" me
Now THAT is my kind of female friendly.
Rock Band FTW! (Now, if it'd just let me create a fat rocker.)
I suggest looking at yourself and the way you act and looking at ways to improve you attitude so that you don't take offence on funny videogames like Fat Princess.
ZOMG, how dare you suggest that something I like may not be 100% amazing. Do you not know that Sony died for you so that the PS3 could save you from endless nights of Futurama reruns?
Sorry for stepping on your toes there, Sarah, but I had to put in my $.02.
SIR, YOU ARE TOO LATE FOR THE JELLIED EELS. HERE, WE HAVE ONLY PIE.
Made. Of. Win. And possibly the only two consecutive sentences in all-caps in this entire thread that have both made sense and been hilarious.
* "You're ruining women!" (You have to say it like Jeff Bridges in The Big Lebowski. "Jackie Treehorn treats objects like women, man!")
* "Gamers who buy games with racism... aren't racist, they just like racist jokes!"
* and now "You're a terrorist! And you're FAT!"
Oh... Jesus on a unicycle, I'm laughing my fat, balding gamer ass off here! I wasn't going to chime in because I didn't have anything to say, but that was just glorious, Feminist Suck. (I think I'm just going to call you Suck from now on.) Come on, Suck, do it again! It's only afternoon in Australia, I have lots of time left to watch you dance!
OMG! Fat terrorists. Why didn't anybody warn me?
Aiiiieeeeee!!!
Graham, I've been telling you and telling you -- I'm taking over the multiverse and have planted fatty-bombs everywhere. Prepare to be assimilated. Or eaten. It's a matter of semantics, I suppose.
why wasn't that guy here earlier? so few of us awake to enjoy that one.
Nobody gets banned or deleted unless they deserve it for abuse, like the people spamming this thread. You and your ilk's offensive comments are still splattered like so much verbal diarrhea all over this thread, which you probably realize but choose to ignore for your argument. You lot don't even deserve names anymore, so buzz off, Troll #3452653.
Seriously. Bad timing, gamer -- bad timing. That'll get you killed in some games.
speaking as a gay guy, I fully welcome our new Lesbian Portly Borg Overlords.
The Portly Future! It's Glorious!
I've been reading since yesterday and quietly snorting along in delight.
Paragraph sign guy, you suck. From the size of my scroll bar I was expecting at least another thousand comments of top notch entertainment and then you didn't deliver. Bad paragraph sign guy, no cookie.
The jellied eel bit was pure unadulterated genius. Only now I'm craving fish and it's too early in the morning for that.
What -- no fear? No loathing?
Geez -- I must be losing my touch.
I'll go back to lurking and laughing at the Troll-Fu-Fighting going on in the thread.
I'll be happy to oblige.
Oh, and what would be even cooler would be if they acted like their point was, like, original and shit.
Remarkable point, really -- truly you have a dizzying intellect.
There's just one small problem. In those games, eating actually strengthened the characters -- you know, so that they could do what they needed to do?
Sort of like real life.
I mean, do you ever even think about things like this?
Your logic fail
The princess plays no part in the game, according to the specs -- you feed her and carry her. That's it. Feeding her makes her fatter. That's it.
Oh, and you might want to read upthread, where we covered the "your"/"you're" thing rather extensively.
Let me give you an example: You are stupid. Also means: You're stupid.
See what I did there?
I'm beginning to feel genuine pity for these people.
Nintendoll -- as you would know, if you had read the original post and this comment thread, this is not a post arguing the merits of this game. It's a post about a troll-infestation of the worst sort. As I've responded to previous commenters -- I'd be happy to discuss that with you, since it's, you know -- the subject of the post you're commenting on?
Thank all the Dieties of Heaven and Earth! Finally, a gamer with a sense of honesty.
Please note -- the gamebotz insist over and over that this game is not intended to be offensive -- but here is a gamebot actually saying that it is MEANT to hurt -- see how fucked up that is?
Oh, and the painful spelling? That actually hurts. Ouch. (You do know that there's a spell-checker built right into most browsers, don't you?)
Well, like I always say: Can't have a troll-bashing party without trolls!
Let's go over that "your" thing again. You are having = you're having -- just like You are stupid. = You're stupid. I'm sure you'll catch on eventually.
Res ipsa loquitur, right, Nintendoll? You can't see it (despite the fact that there are other blog posts on this blog not related to this), therefore, it isn't there! Case closed. [Finale outro Mario music playing]
You know, the home page of the website you are on at the moment? This has been Basic Internetz 101.
No, actually, it's not. It's a report of what happened in the past 48 hours, and living proof of why this thread was necessary. I happened to have the dubious distinction of being one of the people who had to moderate the thread which was actually open for civil discussion. I deleted (literally) hundreds of posts that were some of the most viscious, misogynist crap I've ever read in my life.
This blog is actually rather well-known for its civility. There are well-reasoned arguments here every day. It may amuse you to discover, if you read any of my other posts here (I'm a regular contributor), that I've actually taken a lot of shit from other community members for being overly patient with commenters here.
What you have witnessed on this thread is a response of a community which has literally had to move from server to server because of DDOS attacks and harassment from communities who hate feminists. The blog owner has been physically threatened at her home because she stood up to bigots.
Want to get all up in arms? Go talk to your fellow gamers -- confront them and ask them why they chose to flood this progressive blog with hateful comments when the original thread was open for civil discussion.
The invitation to civil discussion was abused. Perhaps you might consider that before you classify my response as "hating". I don't, in fact, "hate" you (or anyone for that matter -- it's against my religion) -- but I will not suffer abuse in silence. I will resist and I will respond in kind to those who deal abuse to me or my allies.
OK, now I am LOLling for real -- this is one of the only people that I did not delete a single comment from!
What a hoot!
And damn you all. I woke my baby cackling at the comebacks! ^-^
AHAHAHA! owww....oww... oh, For Flying Fucking Spaghetti Monster's Sake... i can't even BREEEEEEEEEEATHE!
Yes. He's very trying.
silver, if you hang out long enough to post comment 1500, you might win a new internetz tradition, which you could then trade for a new keyboard and monitor.
Whack-A-Troll=Fabulous Prizes!
BITCHEZ! YOU STARTED IT! YOU BRING IT ON YOURSELVES!
but this should not come from activists if they want to complain about something.
Feminism: LET ME TELL YOU HOW TO DO IT!
(i think i could get the hang of this...)
What the fuck does that mean?
For starters, Melissa's flip-off was to the game developers -- not to gamers (she IS a gamer) -- not to any particular gamer site -- but that's where the deluge came from -- with comment after comment of "fat fucking cunt", "fat lesbo whale", etc., etc. etc. (I know. I modded them.)
I'm sorry -- flipping the bird to a fucking corporation IS NOT like mounting a personal attack. It's just not.
Consistently, the talk here (and on the original thread) has been directed at the company and at the type of gamers who mount such attacks -- not gamers in general (since a great many of us ARE gamers).
So, what are you saying -- activists shouldn't be "provocative"? Hmmmm. Where have I heard that kind of talk before . . . . . . oh -- I know: "You can't expect gay rights to come about when you're being so provocative". Stop making a big deal out of it."
Yeah, I thought that seemed familiar.
And I believe you are not actually getting the purpose of a blog. It may have something to do with lack of experience with said blogs? I'm merely guessing.
Wow. Are you really not getting it, or are you trolling? No one here went "looking for a fight". Melissa had her inbox deluged with masses of email (completely unsolicited) from the gamer community.
"But you have every right to block, delete, or ban outside commentary as you find necessary."
Yes. We did that. But the assholes did not stop there. They went to direct email. That's what this post was about. Also, when we did that (blocked, deleted, and banned), there was an unending chorus of complaint and whining from "your" community. So which is it? Do we have the right to block, delete, or ban as we find necessary, or not?
Go look through some of the shit we've had to put up with here. You might get a clue as to what that "anger" is about. And you know what? Sometimes, anger is the absolutely correct response to have. It might save your life some day. It has mine, on occasion.
That may be true, but you're not helping to manage (and I do only a VERY small part of that management) a blog that gets . . . .let's see -- what is it today? -- a couple thousand comments a day or more.
So yeah, sometimes, anger is a very helpful tool. It keeps me slogging on sometimes, when I might otherwise just crawl into a cave or -- how did you put it? Roll with it and laugh?
See, that's great for just riding through a couple of comments -- but in my humble opinion, rolling with it and laughing is one of the things that perpetuates sexism -- haha -- no big deal. If you are who you say you are, well, you're young yet. Talk to me in ten years -- or even five -- that rolling and laughing can get really, really old.
everyone has a right to live they way they wish as long as they aren't hurting the people around them.
sending hatemail to people? IS hurting the people around them. calling out the assholes for being assholes? totally feminist.
Just to recap -- after the troll-slide in the original Fat Princess thread (and the subsequent and sensible closure of the thread), the trolls then began to slime the "get well" thread in which the owner of this blog posted about her trip to the fucking EMERGENCY ROOM! because she was in excruciating pain with shit like: "If U wern't so FAT maybe you wouldn't NEED the EMERGENCY ROOM!"
But no. I'M the angry one. Jeez. I can't believe I bit.
*profoundly chagrined*
further, i think it's useful here to separate "stupid" from "wilfully ignorant." most of the trolls here today fall into the later category, i suspect...
no. just no. it's not an "I'm rubber, you're glue" situation; it's a tactic designed to intimidate and silence. which is, as folks here could tell you, sometimes backed up with physical threats and real life stalking, violence, and intimidation. it's all of a piece, and it's something that exists within a history of (particularly) women being harassed on the internet and in real life.
One thing I learned is that if people try to continually spew hate at you and you are nice to them back, they will stop. Working in retail I've had people walk into the store screaming for some stupid reason, and simply been polite and kind to them back until they realized what an asshole they look like, screaming at someone who is being genuinely kind in return.
yes, sometimes that works. other times, customers will do everything they can to remind you that YOU ONLY EXIST TO SERVE ME. SERVE ME! (this is also true for the horse-brutality industry.) the key factor here? it happens in person, with witnesses. but you're also comparing apples to footballs. because on the internet? not so much. so assholes are fee to be assholes without the repercussions they'd face in real life. so being nice to the assholes when they're mean? totally doesn't work.
Except in the cultures where it IS celebrated. Oh wait, I'm sorry, those are brown people cultures. Never mind, they don't count.
That might apply if it's just one or two pieces of hate mail and even that depends.
But if it's a few hundred or even few thousand pieces of hate mail per day (as evidenced in this thread) that's pretty much bound to hurt and then getting together with some friends and mocking the wilfully stupid can be very therapeutic.
Then don't.
Or, if you do -- stop lying about hating it.
And the jellied eel/pie rejoinder is one I shall now use IRL, to my own amusement and the befuddlement of those around me.
*LOL* awesome. You're married to a man, and have multiple male commenters and contributors, but you hate men! Institutionally, like! Wow. The dumb just keeps on comin'.
So being married to a Woman, and running a site with multiple male commenteers and contributers makes me immune to being called a misognyst? Sweet!
Ohhh, I get it now! If we find something offensive, we should understand that it's just a game/movie/tv show/etc and not get all worked up about it. If we don't like it and have to say something, we should be nice about it. Because game developers and fanbois might be offended by our anger, and when THEY are offended and lash out and make personal attacks at actual individuals, they are the poor victims.
So basically, it's the asshole's feelings that are important to respect, and the rest of us should just smile and nod like good little Stepford wives.
Gotcha.
On the subject of Fat Princess: It's just a fun, little game - nothing more. It's not meant to offend anyone. God I hate these times, people can't seem to laugh anymore without worrying about whether or not it's politically correct.
There is nothing wrong with a group of people with an advanced understanding of a subject to come together and share ideas, educate one another, and keep each other up to date on the latest developments. I am sick of hearing this "preaching to the choir" bullshit argument. Sometimes a group of people who know a lot about something and share the same viewpoint don't want to have to educate or convince people with less understanding and agreement. It's like asking a graduate-level class in philosophy accept high school kids and not only teach them the basics, but also convince them that philosophy is worth learning. Meanwhile, what are the graduate students gaining from the class? Nothing but frustration!
Are the people who created this blog pushy and aggressive? Yeah. In the blogosphere, a good offense is a good defense.
Except that we laugh all the time. But don't let things like facts get in the way of your little tantrum.
In case you aren't aware of all internet traditions, this means laughter: LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Yeah, it's getting so you can't lynch anybody any more without getting people upset.
[/snark]
But really, fat jokes are funny. You should be harassed for being fat,its not healthy and you become a less productive member of society.
Yeah, they told me the same thing about being gay.
Of course you do.
*LOL* awesome. You're married to a man, and have multiple male commenters and contributors, but you hate men! Institutionally, like! Wow. The dumb just keeps on comin'.
So being married to a Woman, and running a site with multiple male commenteers and contributers makes me immune to being called a misognyst? Sweet!
FAIL.
Also, are commenteers anything like mousketeerds?
Oh, and everything Astraea said. If you don't understand the conversation, the proper thing to do is a little research first, not whine that everyone isn't explaining things to you. I get paid a decent amount of money per hour to teach people, and I'm not always interested in doing it in my spare time for random thugs who wander by a thread.
littlem paging Carl. littlem paging Carl.
Marry me. Stat.
littlem out.
I'm glad you liked it, though. :-)
Predictably, he turned out to be a misogynist douche, too, so Winona had to get rid of him.
Also? My balls have dropped (i.e. I'm older than 9). I have female friends and have and have had actual honest to goodness meaningful, lasting, communicative adult relationships with women.
On behalf of other non-lawlz gamer dudes, I'd like to humbly apologize with for these 9-12 year olds' behaviors. They're just kids. They need a spanking assuredly, but they honestly have no idea what they're doing. It's the same behavior that motivates their suicide runs in the video games themselves. Unthinking, ineffective idiocy.
And like other internet trolls, they're just trying to hurt people. It's almost as if there were some sort of games where they racked up points for being mindless little assholes.
So . . . what'd I miss?
"What really upsets them is that no one is taking them seriously"
Srsly. They have opinions too! And, if we don't listen to them (you know, if you can find them amid all the whining, temper tantrums, bigotry, stupidity and bad logic) then they get mad!!
I LOVE that they think that are intimidating, insulting or clever. They actually believe we're mad, hurt or whatever. That's if gawddamn hilarious.
The obvious failures of our public school system are funny (in a tragic way) to watch.
How the hell can you take them seriously? This is like Mike Tyson fighting an infant. (Thank you Allen Covert).
Looks like we missed PD's heroic efforts overnight and a few zingers by Jupiter, but otherwise... more of the same.
Because it is fun. Good GRIEF, these gamers are dumb. I mean, not all of them (and certainly not all gamers; our hostess is a gamer, *I'm* a freaking gamer, for crying out loud); Perigee seems quite sane, f'r example.
Well... I dunno. Have fun watching the monkeys dance. I'll check back in in eight hours or so.
Matt. Matt Matt Matt. Just because you don't agree with a criticism that doesn't mean it's not legitimate. And, I know this may be impossible to comprehend, but some members of the human race have the ability to enjoy media (like it, or even love it) while simultaneously having criticisms of it.
And no one gives a crap whether or not you like the argument that WALL-E depicted fatness in a poor way- I'm not sorry to have to break that to you. WALL-E depicted fatness as the result of laziness, which is what a lot of people mistakenly think is the cause of fatness in what we call "the real world" and which is also completely incongruent with the facts about weight. A lot of fat people out there have to face crap from self-righteous jerks who think it's their right to shame and ridicule fat people- so maybe for a second you might try to comprehend that fat people might find inaccurate depictions of their weight uncool even if you aren't offended. Jesus, I mean, this whole "thinking about how others might feel" has seemed to fall right out of your line of thought and you've only stuck you how this affects you and the "wonderful movie" of WALL-E.
I expect my logic to be completely lost on you, but at least I tried.
And Nintendoll, that's absolutely great that you can maintain such a great self-image despite the crap that goes on around you. I do that, too, but I dislike that some people that I come across in real life still feel that they are entitled to my time, my attention, and my body because society has taught and reinforced to them that women do not have bodily autonomy or that women are objects that exist for the viewing or touching pleasure of men. It's all fine and good to preach that we should just not pay attention to the beauty type on tv or in magazines, but that doesn't stop strange men from calling me "bitch" when I won't smile for them. You don't have to let societies standards of beauty affect what you think of yourself, but I also shouldn't have to let society's standards of male-female interaction affect how I am treated by strangers. Therefore, while you may be content to just ignore it, some people might not find that sufficient. That is why blogs like this exist, and they are getting the word out and exposing people, despite what you may think.
Ray, if you actually don't give a shit, why are you so determined to spread your hate, especially in the name of "helping" people? You start out failing at logic, move on to whining about how hate is supposedly stifled here at Shakesville (oh noes!), then go on to a full-on shit sundae of hatred that you try to garnish with an "It's good for you" cherry.
What the hell is wrong with you?
B. here at shakesville, you can diasagree with a serious, logical objection. Dumbass bigots need not apply.
C. No one cares about you bigotry and bigotted opinions.
C. . Seriously, some people, like you, are just pathetic losers with absolutely nothing better to do with your time.
Stop being a bigot. It's good for you.
Congrats, Troll, you've won our complete contempt.
Bigot's disease.
Shame there's not a vaccine for that.
BTW Nintendoll, you have become the girl that sexist guys point at and say "my girl friend laughed at this joke so it must be OK." Gee thanks, from the bottom of my heart, for helping teach these guys it's OK to say sexist shit. I do mmorpgs and I tell guys it's not OK and if they don't stop I report their asses. I'm NOT going to give them a free ride on the slime ball express. Until we teach these guys that it's not OK they will just keep on doing it. I for one do not want my daughter to have to face the sexist shit I see/hear in gaming.
The only known cure might be a giant combination dose of Reality and Truth. But I suppose they think it's a suppository, hence why they've avoided taking it.
There is. it's called Feminism.
Kind of amazing that this even has to be pointed out, isn't it?
Oh, you mean we should have tried something else? Like the dozens of interesting and thoughtful posts about fat acceptance on this very blog? And the the many blogs dedicated to fat acceptance? Or the well-reasoned post that Melissa very helpfully linked to in this very post?
Yeah, those seem to be working sooooo well.
This isn't fark or wherever the hell these trolls came from. Willfully ignorant bigots aren't the intended audience here. Get over it.
I'm confused. Don't femenists such as yourself have worse thigns to worry about than a video game?
Yes, we know.
Don't femenists such as yourself have worse thigns to worry about than a video game?
Feminists are also very concerned with the state of our education system. For obvious reasons.
Gamers reacted so strongly to this because games (and the people who love them) are often attacked--and unrightfully so--by the media.
Those poor things! That is absolutely tragic! And here I was, saving all my sympathy for people who aren't overprivileged middle-to-upper-class douchebags with too much time on their hands! I am chastised, truly chastised!
Your (and their) childhood damage is not our fault, nor our problem, and your persecution complexes do not give you license to bully and harass a complete stranger and an entire community. Go fuck yourselves.
Anywho, Shakers, this has been priceless. I've been lurking, laughing, choking on my brandy at the mind scorching stupidity, and enjoying the hell out of this all night long. Time to check out. I WILL be back though so do try to keep those brain damaged chimps a-hopping 'cause. . . . DAAAAYUM!
The overnight trolls were kind of boring! Thanks for cleaning up all that slime, PD. You rock.
is considered making men into pigs.
Huh? No, not really. These people are hilarious - they want to turn everything into FEMINISTS HATE MEN ZOMG.
Feminists are also very concerned with the state of our education system.
LOL, Astraea!
Then you're in the wrong thread. Go back to the main page for the blog, scroll down, and look for the first post that discusses what's wrong with the game, with helpful links to other analyses of the problems in said game. Remember, Reading Is Fundamental.
Good Lord. I hope English isn't his first language, though I know lots of people who speak it as a second, third or fourth language who do way better than this.
No, it hasn't been. It might be the utter lack of engagement that makes it read strangely. Just saying.
No it doesn't.
No. In fact, this is the only thread that isn't edited, in order to show everyone the volume of semi-literate idiots that the moderators have to deal with on a regular basis.
The fact that they make no sense to you may be that you don't know enough about it yet. Taking more from Astraea's analogy, you can't walk into a graduate class on a subject and expect that you can understand everything in it. People aren't going to dumb down all of the conversation all of the time so that anyone wandering in can immediately get it all. That's not what this particular thread is for.
I see one spelling error, one grammatical error and at least two punctuation errors. Anyone else?
Hint: When you misspell a word so badly that it's not clear to the reader what word you meant to spell, you might want to slow the fingers down a bit and read what you've written.
Holy crow. THERE IS NO DEBACLE LOOKING FOR A SOLUTION HERE. WE ARE MAKING FUN OF SPAMMING TROLLING IDIOTS. The really funny thing is that they keep coming back for more.
In other words, prove that you paid attention in Grade 5 or at least passed it.
This has been a public service announcement on behalf of your public education system who reminds you that "No Child Left Behind" is not a reference to your port-side ass-cheek.
Wow. This is the border of "What about the menz?!?!?!11" territory. Get your passports ready.
Once more, with feeling: No one is trying to "find a solution." We are merely laughing at you. There's really nothing more to it than that.
sexism works both ways, remember that.
Not so much. Thx for playing!
What about when you raise one at a consumer product? Why on earth should anyone identify so strongly with a consumer product as to get all upset and personally abusive when somebody else flips off the consumer product?
See, this is what just baffles me about this whole thread: our, ahem, visitors keep asserting that it's just a game and doesn't matter. Yet, they're taking the time and energy to flood some total stranger's web site with abuse, and in many cases to keep it up for hours. This does not actually make sense.
Since we don't get a "nice loving face" no matter what we do, I fail to see how it hurts to use "foul language."
Melissa is not the fucking (OMG!) ambassador to Mt. Privilege. We are right here on Fuck Mountain, expressing frustration and rage at all the ugly pollution pouring down on us. They are responsible for that shit, not us. And when they come to Melissa's territory to pour more shit on her, she has no obligation to greet them with smiles.
Spare us the "ZOMG THINK OT THE MENZ!!" baloney. Not one Shaker said anything sexist about men. All you dumbass bigots have done nothing but spout bigotry. Save it.
Dont you know the lead designer of the game is female?
I;m going to say your entire crusade was just owned.
Oh, and for all the lovely Shakers who have finally gotten blackout on their bingo cards..
YOU WIN THE TURKEY!!! Cue the mother-scratchin' Price Is Right theme music! Bah-dap-dah Daaaaaah! Bah-dap-dah Daaaaaaah!
Yes, we covered that a long time ago. It's irrelevant.
I;m going to say your entire crusade was just owned.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! *gasp* HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
They're not even original anymore!
ssj12, that Troll Bingo square was filled about 18 hours ago. Try to keep up.
A: Bigotry is not an argument.
B: Who's crying, dipshit? We're laughing at you.
C: liss provided you dumbasses the opportunity to humilate yourselves. And WHoo did you deliver. Congrats.
Someone was mean to them once, IRL, Chet. That's all. The seething resentment festered, and then they found solace with a bunch of other like-minded misanthropes to create a completely irrational mass-persecution complex to unleash upon innocent strangers at a moment's notice, regardless of whether anyone actually insulted them or not, the bunch of self-pitying toadies.
This is what is really comes down to, I think, and why most of their posts are some bizarre sort of projection. Obviously, since THEY are irrationally upset about this, we must be. Because THEY are bigots, we must be.
It's getting boring, frankly. They all keep saying the same things over and over again. *snore*
Seriously. If it's just a game, then suggesting some changes shouldn't be a big deal.
Point out that the Mary Jane statue is sexist and you get a lot of "is just a statue and not sexy and omg why are you trying to take the sexy away." Then someone paints an actual bulge on a male superhero and the fan boys pucker up and have a full scale tantrum about someone showing a male looking like something other then a Ken doll. Yep gotta love those double standards...
Yeah, it's pathetically obvious that they are just completely invested in their own privilege. They expect everything to be designed around their needs, and to reflect their worldview. Anyone else who wants their own needs served by the industry is obviously a big fat lesbo bitch trying to take away their toys!
of course you're going to say that, because you're a dumb fuckneck.
Nobody would play that stupid game! You REALLY believe that this game will interest someone? In fact, I think so: the stupid FAT persons ,JUST LIKE YOU!
Man alive. This one seems to think Liss wants royalties from Sony? Or something? It's a little hard to tell, given that this troll cannot communicate in written English.
You're right; she's the Queen Cunt of Fuck Mountain.
You may address her as "Your Majesty" upon introduction and "Ma'am" thereafter.
Ohh. Maybe that's it. I'm still trying to figure out what "pitty" means.
(High-fives Deeky)
A hollow hole filled with CHEESE!
I think this recipe is coming together. A sourdough french loaf with a soupcon of hot pepper and a touch of fennel, rolled around a cheesy center.
Soft, fatty cheese or hard, sharp cheese? I can see a case for either, in terms of stereotypes and expectations, but I'm not sure which more accurately embodies the spirit of pathetic anger bread. Help me out, Shakers?
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"Shame there's not a vaccine for that."
There is. it's called Feminism.
Perfect. Thank you, Betty!
Fat women aren't in vogue any more. Get over it
And women are supposed to alter their bodies to fit the fashion of the day? Dude....read Feminism 101 to get how badly this is failure.
Yeah, Astrea, quit crying. And swearing. It won't help you. And he really, really wants to help you.
No idea why this struck me, but I'm still chuckling.
I feel exactly the same. Once in a while, it's nice to have a chance to mock these stupid bigots for being the stupid bigots they are. But I'm eternally grateful to the mods for getting rid of it most of the time - because on a regular basis, it would get old pretty fast.
I simply can't believe the thread is still going and that new troll keep showing up! My son has fallen asleep waiting for me to cach up and let him have the computer. Rainy day and I can't even push him out the door ;(
For those few who don't get it- the Fat Princess is not some sort of idolized person. She is an item to be collected- she could and should have been replaced by some other Royal icon. The game makes as much sense with a case holding the Royal jewels and weighted down with chains. The designers thought this was funny haha, the marketing department wants to cash in on Disney Princess backlash and the whole thing is a tawdry attempt to get families who will buy anything with Princess in the title for their little girls to keep them from playing better games. The fact that ANY serious gamer feels that they need to defend this dreck makes me deeply sad as a gamer who predates computer games.
Pathetic Anger Bread needs a serious coating of eggwash to make it shiny and disguise its suckitude.
Well, thank you for admitting so quickly you're a total moron. That'll save us some time.
"The only thing the blogger is doing is promoting the game even more and more people will buy it and worst, many more people won´t take seriously feminism."
Translation: Women speaking up scare me. I must try to scare them into silence, so my teeny weenie doesn't fall off!
"You are the worst feminist I have ever know and a disgrace for woman of all kinds "
Translation: I am terrfiied of strong women who are smarter than me.
AHAHAHA! Liss, you are RUINING WOMEN! RUINING US, I SAY! A DISGRACE!
The troll traffic was dropping off. I hope this one sticks around; he's hilarious.
Betty, don't you know it's really rude to make fun of other people's size?
...oh. Wait.
because the gaming world used to be a fucking BASTION OF SUPPORT for feminism, but now they have been turned away! oh, how could we have been such fools not to recognise our allies!
No, really it's just because I like chewy cheese. But it is a choking hazard, so maybe not.
We alienated them all with our shrill, strident tone! Wailing and gnashing of teeth shall commence immediately!
Damn our short-sighted ventures against bigotry that failed to think of the bigots' feelings! DAMN THEM I SAY!
*gazes about*
Wow! They're STILL coming, and they're STILL saying the same exact things. You'd think there must be a probability curve where, over time, they were bound to stumble on at least one original idea.
Silly, they wouldn't be on your roof. They are too lazy for that.
(Mmmmmm. Cheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeese.)
It's like picking off zombies, isn't it? Brainless, and as many get shot down, many more appear. Thank you, brave Shakers, for defending the castle. I have to go get my coke IV and eat a few baby donuts and have a vagina and ruin my part of the world right now.
I'm sure teh trolls will be back in full force with all the standard arguments, accusations, and poor grammar. I'll check in at lunch (ha! who am I kidding! I EAT ALL DAY!) to see the carnage.
kisses!
If it was that scarlet-clad rascal with the deer, he requires a better calendar.
There probably is, but the trolls heard it was a "density curve" and all they could think about was fat jokes.
If you put an infinite number of trolls in front of an infinite number of keyboards for an infinite amount of time, would they come up with the complete works of William Shakespeare?
Not bloody likely.
You. are. killing me, JP!
The very world trembles in your deadly wake, DW! ;)
As for myself, though, I'll take a double order. Delivered to my desk, of course. I can't be bothered to get off my fat ass and go to get some.
forgetting to eat because you're too busy compulsively masturbating doesn't qualify as discipline.
LOLLOLLOLLOL!
The troll-dropping that will live in infamy. It applies to so many things at Shakesville, too. "They aren't homophobes, they just think homophobic jokes are funny!" "They aren't fatphobic, they just think fat jokes are funny!"
I nominate it for a brand-new Shakesville Internet Tradition.
And I am aware of it!
*pointing at Starmancyrus* HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa!
Soft, fatty cheese or hard, sharp cheese?
Fresh mozzarella! Chewy and yummy and if you deep fried the whole kaboodle, bread and all, it would be so good.
Oh, put away your thesaurus and STFU.
Oh, get over yourself. And if you'd bother to read the blog, you'd know the context of "Shakespeare" as it is used in the blog.
I could go on a whole different tirade about diluting academia and linguistics by promoting such abstemious terms as "heteronormative," but I'm pretty sure I simply don't care.
Yet you care enough to come in here and have the vapours and then tell us all about it. *sigh*
I can't believe that this is still going! I only have one more day off work, and I have stuff to do people!
Ok, maybe just one more baby donut while I catch up, then it's back to the chores...maybe...
your = belonging to you
you're = contraction of "you are"
Pray tell, how is "heteronormative" an "abstemious" term?
Oh second thought, don't bother.
Translation: I just finished slee[ping through "Romeo & Juliet" In English class, but I don't read this blog.
"I could go on a whole different tirade about diluting academia and linguistics by promoting such abstemious terms as "heteronormative," but I'm pretty sure I simply don't care."
Translation: I do really, really, really care, but ain't smart enough to put any more sentences together.
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I was wondering that myself. But I'd hate to "dilute academia and linguistics" by talking about it, since apparently the field of linguistics is "diluted" when somebody says "heteronormative," and also, Starmancyrus has no idea what he's talking about. Whee!
Yes, I do. I'm being called a pompous ass by a pompous ass.
"Fools are the whetstone of the wit."
i'm still trying to figure out why y'all are wanting to put cheese on your pathetic anger bread. are you not noticing the modifiers there? it is supposed to be pathetic and angry, and cheese is neither of those things. cheese is awesome and loving and wants to make us happy. (and OMG FAT)
unless... is 'pathetic anger bread' kind of like naming your country 'iceland'? are we trying to trick the trolls and keep them away from our cheesy delicious bread?
Shakespeare may easily be understood to be a proto-feminist; however, he was so in a subversive and subtle way, undermining convention and presenting a frustrating resolution for individuals associating with societal conventions. For example, The Taming of the Shrew is a powerfully pro-feminist work, but many people without the acumen to decipher this misconstrue it as marginalizing. I haven't read the play in a couple years, and I'm honestly too lazy to actually form a cohesive argument regarding it at this point, so don't bother pressing the issue. You can all research it yourself if you care.
And, regarding how "heteronormative" is an abstemious term: the majority of the world's populace is heterosexual, thus it is obviously the norm. I'm aware the term connotates an aggressive stance against homosexuality, and that such is not readily evident in its chimerical composition, in addition to the fact that we already have the perfectly-suited term "homophobic" prepared for essentially the same service, I can't help thinking it's simple jargon inflected when someone wishes to aggrandize themselves.
And for my final number: I don't use a thesaurus. I'm reasonably well-read and challenge myself to make the utmost use of my vocabulary. Attacking me for being overly loquacious, while accurate, reflects your own limitations and/or preconceptions, so please, don't bother.
Fuck you.
Seriously, I was enjoying the absolute hilarity of this thread (go Shakers!) and I didn't get angry until I read your comments. Yeah I could have been nice to the scum who attacked me on the side of the road, but that would have just gotten me definitely raped and probably killed. So fuck you and your "be nice". Paraphrasing what some one else said before me, "We're not passive, if we were we wouldn't be feminists."
PS did I manage to sneak in with the 1500 comment? I want to win some internet traditions!
in addition to the fact that we already have the perfectly-suited term "homophobic" prepared for essentially the same service,
No, you understand the word or how it is used, actually.
You'd know that if you had bothered to read the blog.
You are assuming that no one in here is familiar with the study of William Shakespeare or his views of women. You are assuming facts without evidence; a lot of us are very familiar with his work and some of us have even made a living by studying, teaching, performing, and directing his works, and includes a great deal of dramaturgy.
So take your patronizing tone and get thee to a nunnery.
I referred to obesity as a choice earlier because in most cases, it's preventable. Those of you who cite genetics as the cause of obesity probably don't know very much about genetics. Genetics can predispose a person do be overweight but very rarely does it cause obesity by itself. Traits like height and weight are determined by the contribution of different alleles and polymorphisms at multiple genetic loci in conjunction with environmental influence (if you don't know what some of these terms mean, consult a high school biology textbook). The levels of obesity in the US and around the world have increased dramatically in recent years (along with dramatic increases in the rates of cardiovascular disease, type 2 diabetes, etc). The proportion of alleles in large populations don't change very much over a few years short of some cataclysmic event. Genetics alone cannot account for these rapid increases.
Sorry for going on and on about this but ignorant comments like genetics--> obesity piss me off. Look at the epidemiological data, read some of the research that's been done, and get your facts straight. The scientific data is all there. Maybe someone needs to put it in a slideshow before people will start paying attention.
All of you are hypocrites. You complain about trolls but then you create a thread to a attract them just for your amusement. You say I visit here once and pretend like I know about the site (which I didn't by the way) yet I'm sure none of you have ever read a page of Destructoid besides the one linked here. If you did then you would know that Jim Sterling is the asshole of Destructoid. That's what he does: he writes specifically to offend and put down other people. We laugh at it because we know that's just how Jim Sterling writes.
You're making this whole thing a big deal when it's not. Hate mail? Do you know how many famous people (in entertainment or politics) get truckloads of hatemail every day? They choose to ignore it because they recognize that reading it is not worth their time.
Also, I still fail to see anyone on this site trying to organize action against this game. Blogging is far from action unless you are emailing the developers links to these blogs every day. But you're not. Don't try to say you are because if you were, you certainly would have said so by now.
This isn't even worth reading anymore. While most of the trolls here are unintelligent, you are just as deplorable for egging them on. How immature are you that you have to put other people down to feel better about the situation that YOU put yourselves in my having a public (and somewhat controversial) blog.
I tried to understand you and present a valid argument but that's not what you want to hear anymore is it? All you want is for ignorant people to post here so you can feel like you accomplished something by tearing them down. Well guess what? You haven't.
I don't have time for people who are so closed-minded. So I'm going to do what you all should do AND STOP PAYING ATTENTION TO PEOPLE WHO ARE INSULTING ME WITHOUT EVEN KNOWING WHO I AM.
What? You know what the word "abstemious" actually means, right?
I'm aware the term connotates an aggressive stance against homosexuality, and that such is not readily evident in its chimerical composition, in addition to the fact that we already have the perfectly-suited term "homophobic" prepared for essentially the same service
Oh man, this one is fun. Actually, no, "heteronormative" does not connote an "aggressive" stance against homosexuality. That would be "homophobia." The two words don't mean the same thing, something a scholar such as yourself (!) really ought to recognize. And no one's making fun of you for being "loquacious." We're making fun of you because your orotund style is ridiculous, especially because you don't know what you're talking about.
Using big words: Ur doin' it rong!
I've been raped too. By my best friend's older brother.
This is what happens when you attack other people you don't know.
confused's make it clear that some people love to talk, without ever listening.
I tried to understand you and present a valid argument but that's not what you want to hear anymore is it?
Congratulations! It only took you 1500 comments to realize the point of this thread!
This is so delicious.
Yeah, it really burns her up, I'm sure. Especially when one drops hilarious malapropisms all over one's Very Important Comment while continuing to ignore the fact that no one cares what any of you are saying.
It's amazing that they just keep coming, isn't it?
I think that's related to a certain compulsive activity mentioned above.
Thank you for showing me that you people are soiling the name of feminism to just rip insult people you have never met.
It makes me sick that you get a vicious pleasure out of hurting other people.
Have fun spreading your negativity.
which ENCOURAGES HIM TO BE AN EVEN BIGGER ASSHOLE. every time you laugh at a joke, every time you click on a link of his, you're FEEDING THE EGO OF A RAGING ASSHOLE. every time you apply the "advice" you gave us earlier on? to just let the sexist shit roll off our backs? YOU CONDONE THE SEXIST BEHAVIOUR. if you want to make a difference in this world, you need to stop yelling at us and start calling out your fellow gamers on their own shit.
PROTIP: asshole gamer boys (note -- not all gamers) do not respect you. they do not like you. they don't give a shit about you. why are you defending them? is it because you're afraid? is it because you want their approval? is it because you know that if you do call them out on their shit, instead of giggling uncomfortably or just staying silent, that you'll be next? that the bullshit you have to deal with already will just get worse?
stop sucking up to the assholes. it's nice that you can mute the sound on your xbox, but real life doesn't work like that. the gamer boys you're defending ALREADY INSULT YOU WITHOUT EVEN KNOWING WHO YOU ARE. they don't give a shit about who you are. jesus.
LMAO!
Jesus fuck. No, we are mocking people who came here to bully and make fun of feminists. If that's the kind of behavior you want to ignore while chiding us for defending ourselves, you aren't much of a feminist.
ETA; And we aren't "spreading" negativity anywhere. It's coming to us. We aren't the ones going out to other blogs to harass people.
It makes me sick that you get a vicious pleasure out of hurting other people.
That whistling sound you just heard is the point, going over your head.
This troll makes me a little sad, actually. I hope she wakes up soon.
I think PD grabbed it instead. I'd say she should be disqualified since she's a mod... but then she's the one who was saving us from paragraph break dude last night so she might deserve the win anyway.
And thank you for showing the audience that you're so incredibly dishonest and hypocritical.
"It makes me sick that you get a vicious pleasure out of hurting other people. "
And you say this to US and not the bigot trolls. You must be one of them.
"Have fun spreading your negativity."
Have fun lying to yourself!
You are absolutely pathetic.
Wow, where did you get all that straw?
Translation: Yeah, I don't know what I'm talking about, how could you tell?
"Your cult of victimization would likely go over better if you didn't throw out every buzzword you know in lieu of rational discourse."
Translation: My therapist doesn't want to see my anymore.
By the way, geniuses such as you should actually learn what "heteronormativity" means before acting like you already know. Makes you appear less of a douche, though that might not be possible.
YES! We REALLY believe it. See, you can tell because I used my fat finger to hold down the shift key. That's how you know something is true.
Honestly, how many trolls will continue launching into a attack with "So, let me get this straight, you actually disagree with me?" You obviously understood that, or you wouldn't be so "confused" about us not agreeing with you. The expression of privilege is just staggering at the repeated disbelief that anyone has the audacity not share your perspective. I get that at fat blogs because the yahoos always enter at different times and expect all of their "grand insights" to be treated with reverence because they may not realized that some other yahoo did the same nonsense the day before. But this is one threat and yet trolls keep showing up with the same, "So, let me get this straight..." line.
YES! We REALLY do disagree with you. Shift-key held down and everything.
ali: i gladly give the prize to PD. she can even have my portion of pathetic anger bread pudding -- never was much a fan of baby custard. baby doughnuts, now...
i hope nintendoll is still lurking, actually. i've done that whole appease-the-assholes bit. it's not worth it, not at all. makes it worse, in the long run, because the more you try to please the assholes, the more they think they're owed.
BTW went to prom with a date (who didn't just have a penis, but had brains as well and a very cute smile). Later went on to become main party planner for alcoholic binge parties in college, and am still doing the odd rounds in night clubs and so on, often coming home late with a man or two... and coincidentally am fat to the core!
LOLOLOLOL
and i need some more baby doughnuts and pathetic anger bread please.
I can't believe this is still going on. I am learning so much!
You all ROCK!
james, I think you could fill a bingo card all by yourself.
Orly, James? But the average adult male weight is 165, so they say. Why the hell aren't you down another 35 pounds already, you lazy lardass?
Which proves that
A) You haven't read this thread, and
B) You haven't read anything else on this site.
that's what happens when you're a fuckneck.
i just love that word.
thats a perfect example of what i said in that a lot of childish comments are comming from you guys
As opposed to the trolls? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I dont really know what you were getting at with "james, I think you could fill a bingo card all by yourself." though
That's because you've barely bothered to read the comments and don't know anything about this blog, yet still feel the need to post your uninformed opinion.
i just love that word.
That word makes me laugh. Every. Time.
"The whole 'Fat acceptance' to me sounds a lot like 'Alcoholic acceptance' or 'Meth acceptance' would."
I'm not even going to touch the whole "being fat is the same as abusing drugs" nonsense. Instead I'll say this:
One of my favorite program phrases is "the alcohol is a symptom". Meaning, those of us who do or did abuse substances did it because we had other shit to deal with we were avoiding. After several sober years of dealing with my shit quite squarely, I am of the opinion that if we had more acceptance in this world, maybe people (myself formerly included) would be less inclined to turn to alcohol and drugs as a way to escape the pain of insecurity and differing levels of oppression.
I'm not saying teh internet trollz made me drink, or something nonsensical like that, just that most of us who ended up at the bottom of a bottle stayed there longer than necessary because we didn't find great blogs and real life communities like the people on Shakesville sooner.
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Also, I am ALL FOR AA acceptance and NA acceptance, and any kind of acceptance that helps people live a better life. Damn right addiction should be seen for what it is - a disease - and that people in recovery (and even those not yet in recovery) should be treated with respect. It can't possibly inspire someone to get sober or sho'improve, as they say, by shaming them for their past mistakes.
To clarify, if their mistakes have hurt someone, that's personal and someone may have a reason to be angry at them. But society-wide shaming and stereotyping of users, which further plays on damaging stereotypes of the homeless and poor, does nothing to help people who need help identify their problems and find support.
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How can you (noun, plural) believe that obesity is not unhealthy? Don't you know that obesity is the number one cause of (name of medical disorder). At least (large number) percent of people in this country are obese, and (larger number) are overweight. Obesity kills (number) people every (unit of time). Not to mention obese people look like (adjective) (animal, plural)! Don't tell me it's due to (scientific term), either, because that just means you don't know anything about (scientific term) and need to reread your high school (division of scientific study) textbook.
BTW, I used to weigh (large number), now I weigh (small number). I did it by (name of physical activity) and not gorging myself on (adorable animal) flavored (proccessed food product).
WTF, mate.
Here's another Mad Lib for the woman-hating trolls: "Why are you so bent out of shape about (issue)? Don't you have more important things to worry about, like (social problem, ongoing war, and geographical region where genocide is occurring)? My (real or imaginary female partner/family member) doesn't have a problem with this, you whiny (adjective) (misogynist slur)! Maybe if you weren't so (adjective), you'd get laid more often, and then you wouldn't be so (adjective)!
You fat (misogynist slur)!"
Astraea, his name is Turgid Worm. Don't even bother.
Yeah, pretty much. They don't even really hide it when they openly suggest that fat people would be better off on a poverty-enforced starvation diet.
Must be that lack of willpower because I'm obviously lazy and fat because I don't like the fat-hating trolls.
Like, Linda the Lawyer! who stands 5' 8" and weighs 185 pounds.
Your mission! Slim her down to fit in this bikini by summer (ie, lose 20 pounds in two months)
Your tactic: 1200 calorie diet and a personal trainer
Results! Linda loses 5 pounds of water weight in the first week. However, starvation mentality soon sets in and we find Linda hording food in the backs of cabinets and under he bed. After a binging on Easter candy, she feels so ashamed that she cancels her gym membership and buys a one-piece.
Or is it too realistic to sell? :)
BTW, all Melissa did was state an opinion, on her own blog. She didn't get this game's production shut down or troll other blogs about it. It seems many people (with degrees!!! from colleges!!!) are confused about that.
*howls* High-five, Ollybeth!
They'll scan them for you if you want!
I am aware of all pathetic angry bread traditions.
Oh I do! Then I can be sure to avoid taking classes at whatever schools are producing such a stupid crop of trolls.
ETA: D'OH I'm really sorry for using lame! That one slips out sometimes, not that that makes it okay. And thanks to CE for helping me out!
Pathetic Anger Bread has got to be the next Shaker Gourmet recipe.
From the Uni of Phoenix Online! Take THAT fta lezbu biths!
Abstemious means "not drinking too much." Is "abstruse" the word you're groping for?
Assholes.
OMG shoez!
fucknecks.
So we are all supposed sit here while dumbass bigoted trolls spew their hatred and misogyny all over this blog, and just fucking smile and take it? Fuck right off.
I HATE THA PONIES. I eat them in my pathetic anger bread.
ya fuckneck!
Mr. fuckneck to you, dewd. ;)
Man, the trolls have provided hours and hours of free entertainment. It's amazing that they're still not getting it.
Why would, or should, we do that, Chris?
I am humbled.
No one said any such thing.
I also think you might want to take a look at how many posts from regulars of this site include implications and suggested insults on the inferiority of males.
Wrong again. We are mocking certain men (males is such a huge category, but only humans display such amazing douchebaggery) and their concept of masculinity. Different.
Translation: I, too, am a fauxgressive.
Yes.
I'm not a hateful bigot harassing people on their blog and sending them hate mail.
But who am I to tell you what to do?
Now you've got it.
Troll A: Holy crap, are you fucking serious? You cannot be this stupid without taking some kind of class.
Yes, I am fucking serious. How did you know? Did I leave the webcam on again?
Troll B: If this thread teaches all of us anything, it's that feminists and adult women can be just as repellingly childish as 12 year old gamer boys.
If you find us so repelling, then please GTFO. We're having fun at the expense of some trolls. You are doing ... what exactly?
Troll C: Hmm.. You seem to imply that young white males have a guaranteed ticket to an easy life, and thus have no valid opinions on any matter.
Strawman.
Troll C (cont): I also think you might want to take a look at how many posts from regulars of this site include implications and suggested insults on the inferiority of males. I'm all for gender equality in most areas, but trying to degrade men is not the way to achieve this.
I've looked, I count none. Here's a logical proof for you (I learned these In Class - Troll #1, take note):
"Feminists believe that women are human beings, and therefore should be treated as men are."
Men are human beings.
Women are human beings.
Therefore: Both men and woman are human beings, and should be treated equally.
I don't know how to get from here to "Feminists believe that men are inferior to women."
Who are you calling a lady, fuckneck?
I'll stop feeling smugly superior when the people who come in here to tell us how stupid we are stop trying to pass off things like "anymore" as words that actually exist in the English language.
Smug superiority...why does that sound so familiar? Do the trolls all share one not-very-bright hive mind?
Do you feel you're being anymore mature than those you are mocking?
Who said anything about mature? We're having fun. (FTR, we aren't the ones who started emailing misogynist slurs and threats to someone for posting about a CORPORATE CONSUMER PRODUCT. So...yeah, I'd say we win that round, anyway.)
Enjoy yourselves, ladies.
Thx, we are! Even the ones who aren't ladies!
On the other hand though, I think you have read too far into this, the truth is fat can be funny, thats why when you see a fat comedian half of their act is talking about the situations they get into due to their size, people laugh but that does not mean they think fat people in general are something to laugh at. It's just a game
Privilege in action!
Yes. Very much yes.
Yes, we honestly, honestly do. We are also smart enough to grasp the difference between "equal" and "exactly the same."
God, we have got to do something about education in this country.
LOL!
shit... they can't even bring the original with them. YAWN.
Holy fuckneck! THEY'RE EVOLVING! RIGHT BEFORE OUR VERY EYES!
I am offended that I don't also get to be offensive! This is preposterous! This WILL NOT STAND! I shall gather my closest 400 half-witted hive-minded friends and launch ourselves on this "Gaming Verdict" site and firebomb them with slurs and spam their public email and crash their servers and mock them for their trips to the emergency room and....
Oh, wait, no I won't, because I am not a complete asshole totally devoid of human worth.
I can't believe people aren't studying your philosophy right alongside Plato and Sartre.
Graham, I now dub you "Offensive Man".
I love you people. This is so much more entertaining than Eastenders.
Yes. I believe ladies have every right to be as offensive as guys.
Offensive ladies get me hot. ;)
Is that sort of like those dudes who aren't racist but think racist jokes are Teh Lolz?
They are! They're just calling it Democritus, instead. ;)
Go ahead. Have fun, fun, fun, til your daddy takes the T-bird away.
hah! Offensive Man to the rescue! He will save the ladies from the fucknecks!
I think sethbland it trying to say that ladies, by being female, are inherently offensive.
Don't shun it, fun it!
Ah I see.
In that case, Offensive Man to the rescue!
Offensive Man: Hey! Pussies are awesome!
Troll: *dies*
Everyone: Yay!
Oh, I see. Tell me, do you think it's the possession of a vagina that causes the offense, or simply having the gall to lack a penis? ;)
Probably both. Not only don't we have penises, we actually have sort of a negative space where one should be. It's unnatural, I'm tellling ya.
I'm thinking of having an "Offensive Man" superhero costume made up complete with cape. I don't have ripped abs, though, so I may look kind of schlubby. Help!
I think "schlubby" is exactly the look Offensive Man ought to have. What's the name of his trusty sidekick?
Abs? If Offensive Man had abs what would he do with The Gut of Everlasting Honor??? It's where all of his powers come from (you know, since we hacked off his/your penis when he/you became one of The Offenders).
On a side note, I haven't felt this silly since the primaries started. I think I want to make a red velvet Unity(TM) pony cake with rasberry ooze filling and hate flavored frosting and then EAT IT UNTIL IT DIES!! Thanks to Astrea for the idea.
He has several sidekicks: Offensive Chick, Offensive Dog, Offensive Cat.
All have capes, but we need a logo.
Well, I grant you that (in general) women are superior to men at bearing children, and that (in general) men are superior to women at Not Having A Vagina.
A stylized drawing of Liss' gayest look, of course.
LOL!
Straw man alert. Where did anybody say that? Where?
Maybe she thought if she posted it more than once that everyone would be so.totally.impressed. and really not annoyed by the glaring ignorance in lecturing Liss and Shakesville-at-large about feminism.
You didn't answer my question. If you don't like the bad words around here, go hang around someplace more "wholesome".
And leave my mom out of it, fuckneck.
for referring to yourself in the third person.
You forgot, "So there. Neener neener."
no one asked you to swing by, so feel free to leave at any moment.
Charity: You do realize your comment -- even published only once, snort -- was longer than my original post?
Overkill, honey. It's called overkill.
i'm only interested in Truth with a capital T. speaking of which, have you heard the Good News?
This has kept me entertained all damn day--I love me some troll bashing. And damn, but they do keep coming and coming...
Bwhahaha.
this ain't a war. it's a spankening.
LMAO!
They tried the fat-bashing, the homophobic insults, the racist slurs, the moronic repeating keyboard character stunt, and the oh-so precious concern troll angle. They tried to bury this blog with their awesomeness, but they got nuthin'.
They are a mere fart in the wind. Smelly, but it dissipates soon enough.
no. or did you really not get that?
No.
Have you not read ANY of the 1700 previous posts in this thread? You've got some catching up to do.
I'm sure you've got some assholes who like to harass women for having an opinion. Enjoy their company, they're real gems of humanity.
you forget epically bad grammar and spelling.
It's hard to type one-handed and keep moving the other at the same time.
I learned plenty. You, on the other hand, were staring out the window, farting, disrupting the class and getting huge laughs out of yanking Suzi's bra strap sitting right in front of you.
Don't try to copy my homework, asshole.
uh. that's what we're doing. fighting for a world where people can be people, whatever their gender or sexuality or color or body type. i find it strange that you're unwilling to entertain the idea that defending a fun little game which, in its very premise, reduces a fat woman to an object undermines that goal.
No one asked for it not to be released idiot. We are entitled to our opinion on it being offensive... try learning to reading comprehension eh?
Oh and btw... it's just a blog post, get the fuck over it ^_-
and i'm still waiting for the Usenet-quality flamage.
Translation: Women who speak their minds make me pee my undies in fear.
you had time to crawl out from whatever rock you were under and come all the way over here to comment, so i wouldn't go on about how much of a life you have. no one believes you. fuckneck.
i literally laugh out loud every time i type "fuckneck."
You got a life? Being a misogynist troll ain't no kind of life, fuckneck.
That's a new one!
My mom can beat up your mom.
LOL! that may be the best comment of the evening.
I got my mom to tell you that you are all asshole meanies!
That's the most hilarious thing since the "fat terrorists" comment. Look here fuckneck, my 78 year old suffragette mom could kick your mom's ass any day.
Yeah, and using "jugs" isn't a signifier of anything wrong on your end, nosirree!
We threw momma from the train. We are cruel, but fair.
sorry i didn't have time to read the other 500 comments because i actually HAVE a life so have fun reading the next 500 you bitch
Oh, come on - that's not even original. And you can't count. Better trolls, plz!
These are lightweights. I miss Julius - now that was some quality trolling. :(
anything I posted on this blog would be brushed off as me being a fat hating, homophobic misogynist
Maybe you should think about why that might be!
LOL x a google.
Meanwhile, to said mom, who's emailing me to whine about being banned: When I want to hear from an asshole, I'll fart.
Only by comparison to the rest of this thread. In any normal thread, if someone left a comment that was nothing but strawmen, deliberate misrepresentations of my original argument, blanket (and erroneous) generalizations about the denizens of Shakesville, and condescending claptrap, everyone would be begging me to ban its author.
I didn't ban Charity, for the record, but I don't object to the decision of whichever moderator who did.
oh god, tell me that is true!
So many fucknecks, so little patience.
It's so organic. And street.
http://www.xkcd.com/322/
By the way, anyone wanna bet that a non-trivial number of the mental prepubescent gamer boyz are themselves overweight? Yet of course it's OK for guys to pack on the pounds, y'know.
My mom can beat up your mom.
Off topic a bit, but what the hell. My mother is a large woman, and 5'4". My brother is 6'3" and skinny as a rail. When he was about 15 or 16, he mouthed off to her. She picked him by his shirtfront, backed him against the wall and said "Don't *ever* use that tone with me again. You may be a foot taller than I am, but I still outweigh you. Don't ever forget that" ...at which point she let go of his shirt front and he slid to the floor.
He never used that tone with her again.
To the troll bashers: you are awesome. Your comments here have really driven home the notion that we don't have to internalize the hatred, we can find our voices and fight back. It has been really inspiring, actually. Thanks again.
I am laughing so hard, I'm teary. I love, love, love fuckneck. Wow. Even more than my coke IV. Even more than baby donuts.
I just poked my head in because I cannot believe someone would get their MOM to email Liss and whine? No fuckingneck way! LMAO.
Have fun shootin' trolls! See you in the morning!
"I got my mom to post."
Seriously?
I'm never going to forget this thread. This thread is going to get a bouquet of flowers for Valentine's Day, and diamonds at Christmas. I will treasure it always.
("MY MOM!" LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL)
That just means more laughs for the rest of us, I guess!
Fucking Fucknecks.
Another thing, what's the fucking point of feminism? Yeah, there are sexists, but for the record, it works both ways. You seem to assume that all men are assholes who want nothing more from women than food and sex. That strikes me as a bit sexist.
Also, Jim Sterling is a genius. That post, in case you didn't know, was sarcasm. See, he knows you're a feminist (read: attention deprived moron) and therefore made a joke about it. But maybe your massive fat rolls got in the way.
Oh, buy the way, it's ok for me to make fun of you for being fat since I'm also fat. Double standards can work for me too.
"I know that all feminists are just looking for attention"
Translation: Why isn't anyone listening to meeeeeeeeee??!!!!! WAHHHHHH!!!!!! Can't you see I"M SO VERY IMPORTANT?!!!!! Worship ME, womenz!!!!
"what's the fucking point of feminism?"
Translation: I'm also a fucking moron! Also, my privilege is showing! Because, yes, I AM a complete and utter tool!
"You seem to assume that all men are assholes who want nothing more from women than food and sex. That strikes me as a bit sexist."
Translation: The womenz are too SCARY for meeee!!!! LALALALLA!!!! I can't hear you!!!!! Save me from the womenz!!!!! They are using big words that I don't understand!!!!
"Also, Jim Sterling is a genius."
Translation: But, but, but...he's my MENTOR!!!! Don't you pick on him! Why are you all being so MEAN, you big bunch of meannies!!!!!!
"Oh, buy the way, it's ok for me to make fun of you for being fat since I'm also fat."
Translation: Fucking moron for one! Over here, please! Also, I'm a giant douchebag, but I also feel it necessary to explain myself to the victims of my trollishness. Because while I'm a cockstain, I also need your approval!
Dance Monkeys Dance!
look - theres a million people on earth who are better than u at almost everything u do *had to say that
why do u hate this game? cause its offensive to fat ppl? HOW? i dont see it being offensive in anyway
and even if it is why do u care go back to ur couch and keep on eating those twinkies - theres probably like a million people around the web or in person laughing at how stupid u r
thank you for reading
And really, if we think about it with our heads up our asses, 9-year olds are the true judges of all knowledge.
Yeah, because this totally disproves Liss' point about fat hatred. Like, totally.
This from the dude who spells "by" like "buy". I totally trust you to know your head from your ass, dude. Like, totally. ;)
7/21/08 – A self-identified fat, feminist blogger writes about her personal opinion</ii> of a video game on her own blog. She does not:
a) Link to any gamer blog/forum
b) Go to any gamer blog/forum and complain about the game.
c) Attack or disparage any gamer or gamer community.
7/21 – 22/08 (inclusive) – Self-identified gamers flood the thread (who have clearly never visited the blog before) with some of the most eye-blistering misogynist comments that I have seen in my life online. (Full disclosure – I am a mod at this blog, and saw things that many did not see – much of the worst was, thankfully, caught before the spew reached the blog).
The blog-owner closed the thread, because it had simply become a cess-pool of rabid crap-taking by fucknecks.
Not content to simply have spewed filth around on the thread about the game itself, the fucknecks proceeded to spew similar filth on other threads which were completely unrelated (including one where the blog-owner was reporting that she had just gotten home from the Emergency Room, which they filled with delightful bon-mots such as “Hope you die, fatty!” Nice.
Again, not content to fling poo on unrelated threads, said fucknecks sent barrages of email to blog-owner’s private email, which included similar fuckneck poo.
7/23/08 – Blog-owner posts a blog-post (again, on her ownblog) about the fuckneck activity, and opens this thread.
7/23-24/08 (Inclusive, and who knows how long it will continue?) Fucknecks once again spew. Many are banned according to the comment policy of the blog, most are soundly and rightly ridiculed for acting like fucknecks – prime examples:
a) Hypocrisy – While constantly demanding that blog-owner “get over it”, they seem incapable of “getting over it”
b) Dishonesty – Claiming that the game is not intended to make fun of fat people, they also say that it’s fine to make fun of fat people, and that fat people are [fill in the blank with something nasty and poo-ish].
c) Laziness and Repetitiveness – Rather than read the entire thread or the original post, they repeat ad nauseum the same crap that has already been said/dealt-with in this thread and the previous thread. Over, and over, and over, and over, and over.
d) Mind-numbing Stupidity and Ignorance – Spelling and grammar both die horrible, excruciating deaths, and then spin in their respective graves fast enough to charge the power-grid of NYC.
e) Inanities/Absurdities Which Make the Three Stooges Look Like Rhodes Scholars (Fatties are Terrorists, Pathetic Anger Bread, etc., etc., etc.)
f) Misogynist, Racist, Fat-Phobic, and Homophobic Language – If you think what’s on this thread is bad, you really can’t imagine the mod-queue, which makes this thread look like Peter Cottontail as edited for content by Mother Teresa.
g) High Level, Continual Whinery about their non-existent free-speech rights (sorry – not on someone’s private blog), their non-existent “points” not being discussed (on a thread that clearly states it isn’t a discussion), and the meany-meany-meanness of a community that is simply returning kind with kind.
Fucknecks, please note:
Blog owner did not:
a) Attack you personally, or attack gaming in general.
b) Seek out your company in any way.
c) Attempt to force her opinion upon you.
d) Email you or link to you at your blog.
e) Comment at your blog or forum.
You got here – to a feminist blog -- on your own. You moved the mouse. You clicked the link. You sent the email. You flung the poo.
Commenters here are laughing at you -- because you are acting like idiots, and it’s incredibly entertaining to watch you do it – and frankly, most of them have had enough of simply letting fucknecks get away with fuckneckery without speaking up.
Shorter PortlyDyke: If you come into someone’s house and shit on their carpet, expect to get thrown out. If you come back, expect house-owner to shove your face in the poo you left behind. Keep shitting on their carpet? Expect more face-shoving.
There. I think that covers it pretty well, don’t you? (Please let me know if I left out any important parts.)
(In my next comment, I will leave a direct link to this comment, so that regulars here may simply drop that link into subsequent comments rather than wasting their valuable Being-Hysterically-Funny-And-Wicked-Smart time on explaining anything to a fuckneck.)
http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2008/07/...
Heh-heh -- the page-load alone should take them a little while.
*clink* Here's to Troll-Slaying!!!!!
Whoaaa, totally dude. Did you catch that site where they said gamer boys, were like total fags and shit. That is so hurtful. That is the worst thing that could be ever.
Um, notice the lack of ads? Yeah.
Liss, I'd donate now if I could, but I'm currently unemployed, sweetie. I should have a job, no matter what, by the end of August, though.
# of boy gamers > # of female gamers
So to take advantage of this, games are going to be catered to boys more than girls. Boys like sex and boobs and skinny girls. Games made for boys are highly unlikely to have an emasculating female character that makes them feel bad and not like boobies as much later.
In a way, it's a bit more respectful to women since you're not being exploited through the nose to make a nice, hefty profit.
Although, this doesn't really seem to be more than a game full of bright colors and cake, so I think you taking it this way might just be your own insecurities as an overweight woman.
Forget it Jack. Put on some cool tunes. She will never abandon you.
Well, that's never been brought up before. What an original thought.
Try harder next time.
The idea that it's a shared opinion should give it some merit, like how killing is bad and kittens are cute are generally accepted as truth even though it's not much more than a collective idea we've all subconsciously agreed upon.
But I am using logic, so...
New to the blog here, and came via Joystiq.
I should just say upfront that I am a fat male (gamers are fat har har), but I don't understand the criticism this game is receiving from mostly feminist gamers. I think the premise of the game is funny. Is it anti-fat? Yes it seems like it is, but not in a malicious way. And being "anti-fat" is not akin to being anti-woman or a bigot of some kind. Most people "choose" to be fat (including me). There have been fat, disgusting characters throughout the history of movies, cartoons, videogames, etc. But since I guess they weren't female it didn't affect you.
And let's be honest, the obese nature of this country is a concern. We have to do something about it. So instead of criticizing a harmless game maybe we should spend time criticizing more important things?
Respectfully,
SJ
Here's where you give yourself away: "Games made for boys are highly unlikely to have an emasculating female character that makes them feel bad"
The basic premise of your "logic" is that Strong Female Character=Emasculation (IOW -- strong women make men somehow less male -- the definition of emasculation), when, in fact, the lack of strong female characters in gaming probably leads to this fear of emasculation -- and reinforces the notion (an inaccurate notion, btw) that strong women are dangerous to men.
Nearly every woman gamer I know has faced harassment, and sometimes virtual in-game hazing, in predominately male gaming communities.
You're arguing a chicken-or-the-egg proposition here, you do realize that, don't you? Lack of strong female characters+harassment from male gamers=fewer female gamers -- which is then used (as you have used it here) to justify not writing strong female characters.
Personally, I think this is sheer-assed dumitude on the part of gaming designers. In the US, over half the population is female in gender. A missed market, if there ever was one.
Well, since you said kittens are cute and killing is only a subconsciously bad idea...
Here Fluffy, Here Fluffy......
There's a good kitty.
Sorry, if the game is "funny" because it includes a fat person -- it's making fun of fat people. On purpose.
Most people "choose" to be fat? Perhaps you could tell me the precise day that you decided that you were going to be fat. How old were you? Were you skinny once and just decided "fuck-it"? Or were you always fat and decided to stop fighting what was natural to your body? (Which choice, btw, has been shown to be far healthier for you than dieting -- which neither works, nor promotes health.)
Offensive Man should totally have the motto: Killing is just subconsciously bad.
Actually its not that much of a difference. If you define 'gamers' as people who play games. Women have been playing games in their millions for a decade. Just not the more 'traditional' gaming available through consoles.
As for emasculating female charecters: Samus, Lara Croft (breasts aside, a strong female character), you have Alexandra from Eternal Darkness, Jade from Beyond Good & Evil...and those are off the top of my head. If I wanted to spend 30 mins with google I could find lots more.
To address some other points:
What some people seem to be missing in Fat Princess is not that she is fat because she eats cake, (oh god! cant suggest overeating is bad for you! no!) its that she is being force-fed cake in order to prevent her rescue. She doesnt *want* to be fat. Now if after gaining a few pounds the rescuers gave up and said 'fuck it, lets find a thinner princess' I might vaguely agree with the (badly researched) criticisms. As it is, the fact she is still wanted even when not at a size zero is a positive thing.
And much as feminists would like to change matters, the fact is even after 50 years, women on the whole still like to be rescued and men like to do the rescuing. Its just how we are. A simple look at the romance section in any bookstore should give a hint. Games, TV, Books & Films all take advantage of this. Men when living escapist fantasy like to be the hero, kill the enemy, save the day, get the girl. Women like to know that there is a prince (or pauper) out there who will rescue them if they ever need it.
Whats even more amusing is that its been quite conclusively proven in a number of studies that men prefer women with a bit of meat on them (when looking for a potential mate). Too thin and they dont think she will bear healthy children. Hence the obsession with curves in the bust and rear. The entire fashion industry pushing ultra-thin bodies is entirely down to women. Not men. So a game which includes non-thin females..and still there are complaints. This is why no one takes you (and by you, I mean the frothing at the mouth fanatics) seriously.
Games, film, TV & books will keep going on as they have. Giving people what they want. And disregarding the ignorant rantings.
Design me a logo, PD, and I'm there.
Because, of course, the smartest business decision is to keep fighting over the same stagnent market by rehashing the same old ideas rather than using product innovation and different kinds of ads to expand your appeal to new markets.
Which would be why so many stores are full of Wiis and WiiFits that they just can't seem to get rid of, while the game console that Fat Princess was designed for is selling like hotcakes y'all.
/sarcasm
I realize there's far too much stupid on this thread to properly itemize it, but I think that the presistence of the idea that "bad publicity is always good for profits" - and related arguments - has got to deserve some sort of special mention simply owing to the fact that the topic at hand - gaming - provides such a stellar example of this not being true.
Also deserving od a special mention? The fact that its a pretty safe bet that the idiots who are tossing "fat" around as an insult and are blind to the fact that not all gamers are them are the kind of gamers that would argue that Wii Fit isn't really gaming. (cuz you know, it's about exercize and it's made for girls)
Dudez, say what you will about the name and the marketing, but....
My earliest memory of playing video games was playing that winter olympics ski game on the Atari.
Any system that takes that idea and turns it into a home game where you actually lean from side to side like a skier in order to navigate has my absolute and eternal devotion. And fucking kicks ass and takes names, irregardless of any shortcomings - perceived or otherwise.
What a fuckneck I am! (It's probably the late night beer.)
So, back to the important work at hand!
"And much as feminists would like to change matters, the fact is even after 50 years, women on the whole still like to be rescued and men like to do the rescuing. Its just how we are."
OMG! THANK YOU for finally explaining the one true truth of the Universe to me! "It's just how we are!" It's soooooo simple!
Oh, except . . . .hmmmm . . . . .we're commenting at a blog with hundreds of regular commenters and thousands of regular readers . . . . . . and . . . . . a lot of them are women who don't want to be rescued . . . . oh, hmmmmm . . . and men who recognize that women don't want or need rescue . . . . because, you know, women are completely capable and smart and stuff . . . . . .so . . . . . hmmmmm -- I guess:
Bejesus as Grand Explainer of the Universe= FAIL
Take a look at the profitable 'Imagine' line of games from Ubisoft for another example. Drives feminists nuts, but lapped up by consumers because girls like pink, babies & ponies. Ubi gets stick, yet is both catering to female gamers, as well as making a profit.
RE Mickle: Actually its financially more secure to cater to your core fans first for stability, then branch out to explore/open up other markets. The playstation is still primarily a hardcore games machine (Read: Mostly males own them) and men are more likely to buy hardware for product than women. (There was a recent study on impulse buying, men unsurprisingly buy gadgets, women buy clothes)
The Wii/Playstation comparison is a bit off. Nintendo set out to make a toy for everyone, rather than a games console. Which does lead on to the previous point: Biggest sellers to women on the Wii? Wii-Fit, Cooking Mama etc. Thats not men buying them a cooking game to keep them in the kitchen, or buying them wii fit because they think they should lose a few pounds!
Oh wait, what am I saying? Here I was going on and on like I have a right to an informed opinion. Like I was people! But enough helpful men (and totally not-sexist-at-all women who speak Vaginese and everything!) have come by to tell me how wrong I am because I'm a feminist and we all know that means I'm a testicle-eating, psychotic, puppy-kicker who just doesn't get enough attention.
It's almost like there's a cycle somewhere in all of that.
Chicken,Egg,Chicken,Egg,Chicken,Egg,Chicken,Egg,Chicken,Egg,Chicken,Egg
or, if you prefer
Egg,Chicken,Egg,Chicken,Egg,Chicken,Egg,Chicken,Egg,Chicken,Egg,Chicken
When feminists are demonized for wanting an option for little girls, you know it's not a conversation you can have on even ground.
Anyway, I'm too tired to not get P'O'd and start trying to get trolls to see reason, so g'nite all. And thanks PD for making that handy-dandy guide post. That this thread even needs one cracked me right up.
I told you he was the Grand Explainer!
seriously? Fuck. You.
FFFSMS, this is worse than arguing with comic book fanboys, and i never thought i'd say that.
got an extra beer, PD? i'll share my whiskey...
Grand explainer. You say too-may-toe, I say too-mah-toe, let's call the whole thing off.
Not really. You rock at troll crushing.
(((PD)))
No one, NO ONE, has to shovel McDonald's down children's throats, dolt. And thanks Morgan Spurlock, but I promise you there were many many fat people before McDonald's and even if you banned all fast food tomorrow there would still be many many fat people now and in the future. Fat is seldom due to gluttony or overeating; you really need to start reading the incredible www.junkfoodscience.blogspot.com and learn something. Or try this: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/08/health/08fat....
Now tell me what myths you're spreading again? Are you that much of a sheep? Do you ever research for yourself? Or read ACTUAL, reliable research, such as this: http://archinte.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstra...
I'm not a feminist and I'm not a gamer and I don't even have any particular objection to the game which I'll never play anyway - but that doesn't excuse lazy parroting of false tropes and popular myths just because the media tells you what to think. That's just stupid.
And by the way, have you guys gotten the message yet that it is not the word "Fat" in the title that anyone was objecting to? That fat activists prefer to be called "fat" and leave the word "obese" out of it? Or the sometimes worse "overweight" (over whose weight??) That no one was asking them to change the name of the game?
See, even if I'm not a feminist, I actually take the time to listen to what people are saying and understand their point before making fun of it. You'd do well to do the same. I knew what she meant, but you never seemed to get that far. Thus I could agree or disagree with a modicum of intelligence.
It's also ironic that some of you say it would lead to greater acceptance of fat while others were shouting "Fat freaks! Put down the cake!" or that Liss was WRONG to say the designers clearly thought it was a big joke to rescue (teehee) a fat princess since of course no one would want to, while others were saying "Who the hell would want to?" Gotta get a little more internally consistent there.
ahhh, see: that makes you a sensible, sane, rational human being. which is the exact opposite of the Trolls infesting this thread.
thanks Annie, but i think your logic (by the way, when did logic become a verb? [see up-thread] DOOD! learn to word!) will be sadly lost on this lot...
What's so bad about being a feminist? It's not a fucking religion or being humorless, it's about equal rights.
I'm not trying to be sarcastic, but tell me what you think is so bad about it.
Historical fairy tales abound with objectified princess prizes awarded to brave princes, clever tailors, sly thieves and such for outwitting the various forces of darkness, as oft in the form of wart-nosed wicked witches as Brit-eating giants or big bad wolves, and it is likely from this ancient archetype that our dear game designers thought of using a princess as a CTF flag.
Less likely is their understanding that princesses in the times of the Brothers Grimm and before were often fat; not fat as in about to die from a coronary alongside thousands of other McDonalds superusers, but fat as in meat on her bones meaning she'll survive the winter while serf families pray not to starve to death for lack of an abundant crop this year. Only in the twentieth century and since have augmented anorexic fashion models been the feminine ideal we teach to our boys. It is a recent thing to want girls to look like Barbie, and I've always imagined it to be a consumerist conspiracy after Twiggy, but all this is moot since the Fat Princess game designers didn't have period accuracy in mind.
So, is the game offensive? Of course it is. Not only does it perpetuate the objectification of women, and does it too soon (during an era in which common regard of women remains in flux, and in which the fight for true equality has been losing), but it does so in a medium and a subgenre that is directed at a community that is largly susceptable to this very kind of suggestion, namely young people who are still learning what is or isn't appropriate in society. Racist, sexist and homophobic slurs continue to plague XBox Live to the point one has to twit half the players they cannot kick before it stops feeling like playing with a handful of larvae. The Hulk syndrome, where a valid argument is oft refuted with insults, threats of violence and threats of God's wrath, continues to run epidemic across the internet fora. We, as a species, are going to have to get far more civilized before Fat Princess can be taken as lightly as was obviously intended by the game's creators.
So, is this game offensive enough that it should be pulled, or boycotted, or censored (not to be confused with being censured, of which it's already been plenty)? Probably not. In the US, we prize freedom of expression to a rather high degree, and as per pornography, something has to have no artistic value whatsoever before its offense overwhelms its right to offend. Fat Princess is, controversy aside, an enjoyable game, and while it's likely doomed to be a sinful pleasure for anyone over thirteen, a pleasure it will continue to be.
NOTE: As a PC gamer who can't stand standard console controls, I, for one, won't be playing it.
Would it have made a difference if the game had a French theme, and said princess was specifically credited to be Marie-Antoinette? (Set aside that she didn't actually say the notorious phrase to which she was accredited.)
Yeah! I'm anti-things, just not in a malicious way! Wishing something doesn't exist and actively working to eliminate it from the world isn't malicious at all! Oh, wait....
And much as feminists would like to change matters, the fact is even after 50 years, women on the whole still like to be rescued and men like to do the rescuing.
Hahahahaha!!! Oh, and what, in your world, was happening before 50 years ago, when apparently women suddenly wanted to be rescued? Or is 50 years the longest timespan your brain can imagine? SRSLY, no wanting to be rescued here. Thanks for playing.
Lara Croft (breasts aside, a strong female character)
Ah, but it never is "breasts aside", is it? It. Never. Is.
Stupid bitches can't grasp how awesome I am. Take me now, subcreature.
Yep, he's a fanboy above all other fanboys.
....although now I say it out loud maybe not ;) Either way, rather redundant to the argument. Since what feminists were protesting about 100 years ago has zero bearing now.
RE Silver: Deny it all you want, male escapist fantasy is geared towards men being the hero. Be it in books, films or computer games. And the reason why women are so often the object of it, is what use is saving the world if you dont have anyone to share it with. The more rabid feminists (those who see anything like this as a bad thing, rather than as Graham points out, those who want equal rights) would have the entire nature of men changed. Short of a biochemical gene-therepy on a massive scale that removes our drives to be protective (or more unkindly, possessive) towards women. This isnt going to happen. Ever. So trying to get games companies to not cater to 50% of the populations basic internal drives is madness.
And it applies to women to, games companies have been selling and marketing games to women for years. Popcap makes lots of money off of them. So does nintendo. Not to mention the online poker companies. And the only argument you can come up with is 'Its because they are taught to like things that way'. Well sorry, that excuse is getting a bit old. Feel free to blame society and everyone else and avoid the reality that is the majority of men and women like the world currently.
Women have been equal in the west for quite a long time. Equal rights, equal opportunities for the most part. And yet women still like to read books where they are swept off their feet by the tall handsome stranger. And not a minority either.
And lets look at the men women find attractive in film shall we? How many of them fall for say, the metrosexual modern Jude Law vs the more rugged action-orientated Daniel Craig? Are they all 'wrong'?
The worst enemy of feminism isnt men, its always been other women. And to drag it into an argument over a computer game no less....it makes the people who otherwise might listen to your arguments go 'Oh its just another barking feminist'.
This has a front runner for the dumbest thing said on this thread. Being anti-fat is BIGOTRY. FSM why are these people so gawddamn dumb?
Oh
really?
Translation: The view is so pretty from the top of Mt. Privilege.
So, in other words, people who have no idea what feminism is, who have not unpacked their privilege, and who go through life like a herd of brainless sheep won't like us? oH NOESSS!!!!!11!11!11! clearly, feminism is dooooooooommmmmmeeeedddd!!1!11!1
*lol* Do you work at being so incredibly clueless or does it just come naturally?
Or, all of these things do exist, but since I'm just a wee little woman who loves pink and daydreams about a white knight (not a minority!) forcibly sweeping me off my feet, I am getting what I really want.
Gotta love it when a man schools women about feminism.
The more privileged, clueless and arrogant the boy, the funnier it is. Seriously, it takes an especially high level of privileged blindness and social tone deafness to declare that women in the west have been "equal for some time now". Apparently, bejesus doesn't actually live on the same planet as women.
Well, it's so helpful to have someone rational and objective show us what's really going on.
Men and women are different. Get over it.
Oh, my favorite. Making fun of people for their size=not bigotry. Saying that women who aren't attractive to men have no worth=not bigotry. Making fun of certain men's insecurities and attitudes=OMG SEXISM AGAINST THE MENZ!
LOLOLOLOLOLOL
Translation: Women scare me.
"The anti-male bigotry in this thread is incredible."
Translation: I'm stupid and I have nothing of value to say.
"Men and women are different. Get over it"
Translation: My tenuous graps on evo-psych. Let me show you it.
You know what I did last night? I played Crisis Core on my PSP. In my computer room, which is decorated with posters and action figures from a few video games. I have purchased video game systems I could barely afford for the sole purpose of playing ONE game, hoping others would also catch my attention.
But I hate gamers. Yeah. LOL!
LOL. Yeah, all feminists hate men and want to cut off your penis and think you're stupid, blah blah blah.
It's hilarious how many strawarguments they throw out there to "prove" how much we "hate" them.
She is a gamer, moron. As am I.
Like the use of the MRA buzzwords though. Thanks for outing yourself as a moron; that saves time.
So, yeah, not all gamers are misogynist. Just the ones who point out over and over again that women and especially those who are fat are not entitled to an opinion because in their own articulate words, "fatt bitchez suck."
And where's this matriarchy you speak of, does this mean I can finally start legally using my mother's maiden name as my own last name? 'Cuz that would rule.
Nice try pretending to be a gamer, bigot.
Official Website.
Cover
You aren't much of a gamer, are you?
Translation of translation: If you don't like ugly women, you must hate all women.
"Translation: I'm stupid and I have nothing of value to say."
Translation of translation: You're a man so you must be stupid.
I'm not a hater. I actually invited a fat gal to my senior prom. Didn't work out though - I only drove a quarter ton back then.
Valuing women only for their visual appeal to you is so enlightened and not sexist at all!
Fuckneck.
I'm not attracted to men who are balding and I'm really not attracted to men with small penises. Guess what? I don't ridicule those men, I treat them with as much respect as I would anyone else.
I just try to avoid sleeping with them.
Ah, I see you're a moron AND tell really bad jokes. No wonder you're so desperate for female attention.
LOL, this one thinks he's funny! I can't believe they're still coming.
Especially since it would annoy soooooooo many American fanbois.
Astraea, why do you hate men, gamers, and America? You bigot.
Why do you hate men so much? there's plenty of men around here that are Teh Awesome. It's just you that's a stupid, sexist bigot.
I can't help it. I was programmed by the matriarchy.
The creator of this blog is a moron. You've avoided some really good points that people have made, simply writing them off as "lol stoopid trollz". So, maybe you'll listen to me so you can get over you're little hating all men that prefer a healthy woman over a fatty and listen.
1. This isn't even about the game, it's just you using sarcasm to make yourself seem smart and witty when it comes to people addressing the fact that your fat. Newsflash: You shouldn't be content with being fat. And not just because it's an eyesore, it's also really unhealthy.
2. People have already explained why the game is harmless. I don't even see what got you worked up about it in the first place.
3. I'm no skinny mini, believe me. But I'm at least at a reasonable size because I go to the gym and eat right. And I'm good with that, because I know I'm healthy. Tell me, what do you do besides sit in front of the computer and bitch about men all day?
1. You missed the entire point of the post.
2. You missed the explanations as to whether or not the game is "harmless."
3. You missed the part where using "concern troll" logic such as "I'm a woman" or "I'm not skinny" has been discussed and dismissed as both enabling and irrelevant.
What's next?
I like it how everyone points out the smallest thing to make a comeback. Lol. (Holy Sh*t you use LOL lolol your so stupid lolololol) Really? Why is heteronormativity part of your post? Why is there? I think I know why its there. Its there for reason and that reason is 'Intelligence'. How much you want to fucking bet that there was one gay/lesbian that thinks this game is gonna be fun. Apparently not you. You are also saying/stating that 'Its a stereotype to fat people everywhere'. What is? Holy shi*t f*ck Fu*k shes fat! No way!!!!1!!1 OMG I never knew there CAN be fat people in this WORLD I though every one skinny as shit and metrosexual like in my Final Fantasy Games! Lady....who gave you permission to use the internet?
Uh-huh.
The creator of this blog is a moron
And yet, you're the one who doesn't know the difference between "you're" and "your." Curious.
So, maybe you'll listen to me so you can get over you're little hating all men that prefer a healthy woman over a fatty and listen.
Is this a sentence? I can't really tell what our latest troll is trying to say. Yet another Child Left Behind. WON'T ANYONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN?
I'm no skinny mini, believe me.
I am. But I think fat-hating bigots are bigoted morons. Like you.
On her worst day Melissa is more coherent than that comment.
God, the English language is dying a slow and excruciatingly painful death in this thread, isn't it? I also think it's funny that so many of our trolls seem to see "heteronormativity" and think "Ungh! Big word! Woman use! She try sound smart! Big word wrong!"
Melissa's farts are probably more coherent than that comment.
So you know everyone on the internet? Gee, you must have a ginormous Christmas card list.
Like hell you're a woman. How pathetic. "Oh, they just don't listen to men, so I'll say I'm a woman so I can get my [sad little] jabs in. That'll show the bitchez."
What's astonishing is how few of these trolls can even be coherent. I mean, it's typing. They have time to edit before posting and everything.
How many Bingo cards have we filled up with the "I'm a woman and" and "you just hate men" garbage?
Wow, that's great news! I guess that means I can totally look forward to never being hassled about my weight or the fact that I'm a guy who likes guys, ever again!
That *is* what you mean by the 'last' acceptable social prejudice, right? That other forms of bigotry no longer have any traction within our culture?
Wow, that's great news! I guess that means I can totally look forward to never being hassled about my weight or the fact that I'm a guy who likes guys, ever again!
I agree, Arkades! The next time some drunken frat boy comes at me with a two-by-four and threatens to beat the shit out of the faggot, I can say "Oh, look! A gamer!" and he'll go away. What a relief.
No, see, that's not bigotry because bigotry only exists when it affects straight, white, thin to average weight, able-bodied males.
No, not all gamers. Just sexist, hostile ones who bully, threaten, and harass female gamers and their allies.
And Matriarchy? Seriously?
LOLOLOLOL. As if we lived in one of those.
Anti-gamer bigotry is the last acceptable social prejudice
I doubt it. From what you say, you seem to find anti-fat bigotry and anti-woman bigotry acceptable as well.
Besides, Liss (Remember her? The one whose blog this is? The author of the original post? ) is a gamer. Betty Boondoggle and Astraea are also gamers. Other shakers are too, no doubt. There are feminist gamers, even, like Mighty Ponygirl, who has her own blog. I was really into video games until I was in my early teens. I got out of it, mostly because I got into music and swimming, but also because of sexist gamers who treated me like an intruder and/or a dumbass because I was a girl.
Shakers, you rock. I have never laughed so hard in my life. Even though this thread crashed my browser more than once, I kept reading because the takedowns were so entertaining.
Nevertheless, I wouldn't read this site if it was completely unmoderated. Speaking of which...
Message to the Moderators: Holy crap, is this what you keep out of the threads every day? Wow. My hat's off to you, truly. No snark.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
Men and women are different. Get over it.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!! *gasp* Stop. I can't breathe.
But I am using logic
Stupid + penis=LOGIC. Gotcha. Pffffft.
The idea that it's a shared opinion should give it some merit
Like Intelligent Design and the KKK's tenets. Wow. Better give them a rethink. Pffft.
Yep. I'm fat. I'm also more woman than most of these guys would know how to handle,meaning I'm quite intelligent, can hold my own in arguments, and a "lady on the streets but a freak in the bed" (and a thank you to Ludacris for that phrase).
Of course, I'm sure these guys can also hold their own. HAH!
Tragically, I'm friends with many members of the gaming community. Of course, they all actually respect me because they know me in real life and know that the layers of "gross" fatitude help contain the sheer awesome that is me.
That may be the best equation EVER. It explains so much about certain people.
That may be the best equation EVER. It explains so much about certain people."'
Using that as a general statement about men is sexist. You are demonstrating the irony of 'casual feminism' that is fueled by anger and results in hypocrisy.
Then again, people can make fun of whatever they want. Almost all humor is at someone's expense - which is why I understand some of your anger. And humor should only be taken seriously if there is evidence that it actually changes people's real-world attitudes and conceptions of social groups.
I can say that I plan on buying Fat Princess - it looks hilarious, and not just because of the eating. At the same time, I know that my respect and attitudes towards women are not going to change significantly from playing the game. In fact, most people's won't. The greatest risk is with young teenagers, but even still, making the jump from a cartoony game that is obviously supposed to be surrealistic to reality is a jump. And I am not sure there is conclusive evidence that men are going to become more disrespectful (than they already are) towards women just by playing this game.
There is definitely rampant heternormativity in gaming, and that is something that I would be interested in seeing change. Also, hating a person for their body type is ridiculous.
However, I can't agree that people who overeat consistently and are overweight shouldn't have any criticism leveled against them. They are harming themselves, they are buying into a gluttonous North American norm that ultimately results in malnutrition and starvation in other parts of the world, and they place an increased economic and social burden on their society. The idea that fatness from overeating should just be 'accepted' in the sense that it is considered fine or even encouraged is, frankly, unsupportable.
No, it's being used as a statement for certain individuals who demonstrated their stupid+penis=logic right here ont his thread.
And I am not sure there is conclusive evidence that men are going to become more disrespectful (than they already are) towards women just by playing this game.
Did anyone say they were? Nope.
However, I can't agree that people who overeat consistently and are overweight shouldn't have any criticism leveled against them.
OFFS. Even if they are overeating consistently, that is none of your damn business. it is their body and their health. Making fun of them is NOT HELPING, either. It's like saying... anorexia is unealthy so the way to prevent it is to harass and bully thin people for being thin.
Of course, these points have all been addressed in post after post here and on fat acceptance blogs, but go on being willfully ignorant.
Who did that? It's stupid men who think their idiocy is logic by virtue of having a penis who are being laughed at here - perhaps you haven't noticed the many, many male Shakers about? Do you think they'd stick around if they felt the women here hated them and thought they were stupid?
And humor should only be taken seriously if there is evidence that it actually changes people's real-world attitudes and conceptions of social groups.
*headdesk* *headdesk* *headdesk*
Sure, it's their body and their health. But it isn't that simple. Health care is provided by the rest of society here in Canada, so the more people overeat and get fat, the more burden is placed on the taxpayer, and the overall quality of life goes down. It also happens in the US, it is just more indirect. It is the same thing with smoking.
Furthermore, there is something ETHICALLY WRONG with overeating, because it has become a norm in the rich North American society, and food is preferentially transported there in egregious quantities, where it is essentially wasted in the formation of fat cells (that do nothing but harm past a certain body percentage. Thus, not enough food gets too poorer countries, and people starve. Add into that all the waste produced by overconsumption, etc. Please do some research into it if you don't believe me.
I don't see how I am ignorant at all. I have a university background in feminism and I didn't say anything that even remotely resembled trolling. You're just being inflammatory. It isn't going to work on me.
Oh man. You may have a "university background in feminism," but you may wish to read up on, say, development economics or trade diplomacy. Starvation in poor countries has a lot more to do with inequitable trade agreements - and local instability - than with those no good, awful, very bad American fatties sucking up all the world's calories. I promise.
Who did that? It's stupid men who think their idiocy is logic by virtue of having a penis who are being laughed at here - perhaps you haven't noticed the many, many male Shakers about? Do you think they'd stick around if they felt the women here hated them and thought they were stupid?"
The poster I referred to perhaps didn't refer to a general statement. So I retract that. But to say that ANY PERSON can be simplified to the point where their sexual organs are descriptor for their brain is sexist. If I said that a woman poster on here who was wrong could be simplified into idiot+vagina = logic, I would be berated by SEVERAL of you for being sexist. So, regardless of generality, it is a sexist statement, because you are involving one sexes' genitals as if it is somehow relevant to intelligence.
And humor should only be taken seriously if there is evidence that it actually changes people's real-world attitudes and conceptions of social groups.
*headdesk* *headdesk* *headdesk*"
What? I am not saying there aren't examples of that happening. But life without making fun of things wouldn't be very interesting. Personally one of my favorite targets is myself, but if the situation is not harmful I will make a joke about whatever.
Doesn't change the fact that the US overconsumption at the expense of poorer nations is largely due to factors out of the hands of individuals.
Yikes. Actually, if a woman who was wrong were acting like her stupidity was valid by virtue of the fact that she had a particular set of genitals, I wouldn't find pointing that out to be sexist at all. We are not the ones who are pointing to one sex's set of genitalia as relevant to intelligence, in case you hadn't noticed. Your plumbing has nothing to do with how smart you are, which is why we are MAKING FUN OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ACTING AS THOUGH IT DID.
God, I'm going to bruise my forehead beyond repair if this keeps up.
I promise you that you haven't addressed the Ethical issue, and that North American trends are extremely important in trade agreements - globalization has to this point been, in many ways, Americanization. And that my degree is in political science, ironically. But this isn't about my 'qualifications.' America is one of the fattest societies in the world, and if you don't realize that wasting all those resources is of ethical consequence, then I don't have any desire to continue conversing with you. Here is a quick stat:
Americans eat 815 billion calories of food each day - that's roughly 200 billion more than needed - enough to feed 80 million people.
No. We are mocking make privilege. It's pretty amazing that someone with an university education in feminism can't see that.
What? I am not saying there aren't examples of that happening. But life without making fun of things wouldn't be very interesting.
And if the game was making fun of gay people? Would that be okay, too?
We make fun of things all the time here without being bigots.
Personally one of my favorite targets is myself, but if the situation is not harmful I will make a joke about whatever.
And there is a big difference between you laughing at yourself and a bunch of people sitting around laughing AT you.
And I never had any desire to "converse" with you at all, so that works out well!
(BTW, I do think "wasting resources" is of ethical consequence, which is why I'm a vegetarian. But it doesn't have anything to do with fat Americans, unless each individual fat person could magically redirect all of that food they're supposedly overeating overseas. You are not making very much sense.)
Americans eat 815 billion calories of food each day - that's roughly 200 billion more than needed - enough to feed 80 million people.
Way to not address anything we've said on the subject, pal! Like talking to a wall with these trolls, which is why it's much more enjoyable to make fun of them.
What? Life is no fun without my right to be a bigot! Why are you trying to take away my toys?
LOL! Yeah -- because it was ME that linked my post all over the internetz. Dude, I posted my opinion at my blog. One assmonkey then posted a link in some gaming forum, and, within 24 hours, eight billion assmonkeys had posted links to it, with their sassy Photoshopped pix of me, all over every gaming forum from here to Timbuktu and back again.
That's how everyone ended up here. It had nothing to do with my wanting attention, and everything to do with a bunch of fat-hating, misogynist fuckwits who can't stand the thought of a fat woman with the temerity to publicly disagree with something they like and can't get past her refusal to give a flying shit when they try to silence her with their juvenile insults.
I'm just sitting here doing the same thing I do every day. It's all the rest of you who came to me and danced for my pleasure, genius.
I said, Good Day, Sir!
*setting watch for next inane comment to appear from apparently departing troll*
And there's the imaginary distinction I was looking for.
Wii is a game console. The PS2 and PS3 are toys. Why call the former a toy but the latter a game console? I mean, I dunno about you, but I bought my PS2 so that I could play. In fact, I was under the impression that that was their tagline. (But what do I know, I'm not their target demographic, so its possible that there was some hidden message there that I didn't get.)
Also? I'm fairly certain that Wii Sports and the Mario titles are the most popular Wii games for both sexes, so wev.
Also? Feminists don't generally complain about Wii Fit or SIMS cuz they both pretty much kick ass. (Don't know about Cooking Mama cuz I have yet to play it.) What we do complain about is marketing and/or second and third rate games where the only thing they having going for them is appealing to overt gender norms. And the lack of fun female characters in most other games. Which you'd know if you'd ever bothered to read any feminist post/comments on gaming before this thread.
""the fact is even after 50 years, women on the whole still like to be rescued and men like to do the rescuing.""
Which, you know, is why there is such a tradition of this in "girls stories" - from Little House on the Prairie to Anne of Green Gables to Nancy Drew to the American Girl and Sisters Grimm series.
(Not.)
It also explains the recent trend of romance novel heroines being a bit more modern/feminist than would make sense for the the time period. Those restrictive gender roles just didn't let women be rescued enough!
You don't know how many times I've been tempted to just type: "Stop hitting yourself!" over and over and over and over on this thread.
But I'm enjoying their jigs too much.
LOL, PD. Now with bonus flouncing!
assmonkey
I don't know why I love that word so much, but every time I read it, it cracks me up. Of course, your use of it is really diluting linguistics, so I must request that you stop forthwith.
That's an interesting statement. So you think they may change, then? In what way?
And I am not sure there is conclusive evidence that men are going to become more disrespectful (than they already are) towards women just by playing this game.
Regardless of whether it makes them *more* disrespectful, it certainly isn't going to make them *less* either -- it perpetuates, supports, and normalizes the attitude that makes sexist/sizist games attractive to them in the first place.
However, I can't agree that people who overeat consistently and are overweight shouldn't have any criticism leveled against them. They are harming themselves, they are buying into a gluttonous North American norm that ultimately results in malnutrition and starvation in other parts of the world, and they place an increased economic and social burden on their society. The idea that fatness from overeating should just be 'accepted' in the sense that it is considered fine or even encouraged is, frankly, unsupportable.
Sorry, wrong. There are a whole lot of non-scientific assumptions here about why people are skinny and how and why people get fat. It's a myth that there is a direct causal relationship between moral behavior and thinness and immoral behavior and fatness. It's quite possible to drive a gas-guzzling car everywhere you go, eat all your food highly processed and from fast food chains, slaughterhouses, and typical pesticide-using government-subsidized mass-production farms, and buy all kinds of planned-obsolescence, and still remain thin. Going to the gym three times a week and having a culturally-acceptable body doesn't absolve you from any of that. It's also quite possible to grow most of your own food, buy locally, walk or bike everywhere you can, and practice simplicity and frugality, and still remain fat.
Further, fat does not necessarily equal unhealthy, and thin does not necessarily equal healthy. Try doing some research that isn't sponsored by those who profit from these myths before you jump on your high horse.
TheBlubbs, yes, you are being ignorant and offensive. And hateful. Quit trying to justify your hate of other people's bodies with "butbutbut I might have to paaaaaaay for it!" You couldn't be more offbase about weight and health. Start doing some actual research instead of scrambling for ways to justify your pathetic horseshit.
Or just fuck off.
Ah, the swan song of the dumbass troll.
___
"It's pretty amazing that someone with an university education in feminism can't see that."
It's pretty clear at this point that this "university education in feminism " came from Dumbass Troll U.
Actually, that describes me to a "T". I last filled my gas tank in May (no shit -- I'm rather proud of that), and nearly all my food comes from the garden or farmer's market. People remark constantly on how little I eat. And I'm FAT.
Gaming is srs bsns!
Net Users Masturbatory National University of Trolling Science (NUMNUTS). Some of them got Ph.D.s. They can SCAN THEM FOR YOU.
I eat a lot and don't work out, and I'm skinny. Funny how that works - almost as though diet and exercise really had very little to do with anything! *pearl clutch*
A game has a fat character in, so it must be to hate her?
The objective of the game is to save her, not stab her.
I SAID GOOD DAY.
I want to keep feasting on all the pathetic anger bread so I can fuel that 'casual feminism'. It's a great source of vitamins and irony, you know.
Thank you, thank you, for the bestest thread ever.
All hail QCoFM!
Here's an illustration. I don't think that one understands words.
Using that as a general statement about men is sexist. You are demonstrating the irony of 'casual feminism' that is fueled by anger and results in hypocrisy.
Ah, it would be, if I had used that as a general statement about men. Notice, however, that I didn't. I said "about certain people". Observant readers would be able to make the connection that I was referring to the idiot trolls in this very thread we have been making fun of all this time. Your inabilty to realize that "certain people" does not equal "all men" means you fail at reading comprehension. Please turn in your internet user card on the way out.
ETA: I see that ship sailed on without me. :) Still, the more piling on, the better, I say.
Feel free to tell that to the people who are worried that boys read less than girls.
And the people who are concerned about the gender makeup of most American colleges and universities.
But whatever you do, don't suggest that part of the reason for the gap in reading is because more movies and video games are marketed with boys in mind, thus providing boys with more "distractions" and girls with less.
And definitely don't bring up the gender gap in pay and how that relates to trade schools, blue collar opportunities, and the ability to get a living wage w/out a college degree.
*LOL* wow. So, hate only expresses itself in homicide, Danny?
Smarter trollz plz. kthxbye.
http://thespaceoddity.wordpress.com/2008/07/24/...
It asks the question "why does the gaming community always defend it's own first?"
The only quibble I have with that otherwise excellent post is that the gaming community does not defend "their own." As a gamer, Melissa and the bloggers at Feminist Gamers ARE "their own."
No, it's not the gaming community defending their own, it is privileged men defending their privilege to demean people who aren't just like them.
You know, the trolls that came here made this stereotype real. They proved that they are, in fact, warped - spending in inordinate amount of time making violent and/or bigoted posts to total strangers (who also happen to be other gamers) in defense of a fraking video game. Not the outcome they were hoping for, I think.
My (new, bought in May) MacBook hasn't had any problems loading the thread but maybe it's our connection--we have fiber to our house....? I'm just pulling that out of my ass, I really don't know if that makes a difference or not. LOL
'ironically', indeed, considering how little benefit it seems to be doing you.
(wait, am i allowed to be nice on this thread? i forget.)
Are you seriously going to blame all 'North American trends' and globalization on the fatz peoplez? Because increased consumerism, growing energy demands--hell, the energy demands of food processing itself, such as fossil fuel-based fertilizers and pesticides, transit expenses--they're all going to go away if people just stop 'stuffing their faces?'
Because, sure, eating less is going to stop the whole system. Suuuuure, it is.
Oh, and let's just ignore the HUGE amounts of waste that ISN'T consumed by the fatties--but no, OF COURSE we're eating it all! Let's just ignore the fact that most Americans, fat or not, throw out ~25% of their food! Let's just forget about the tons of calories being tossed during the processing stage, all by itself. But no! The developing nations are starving because the fattiez are eating all the foodz!
Dumbass. Please to be taking some economic classes.
Also, please to stop giving the rest of us PolySci majors a bad name. You uneducated troll.
no, seriously, you and your crew keep saying that these ppl are proving your point, well arent you proving theirs. the mere fact that you have stirred up the hornets nest that is some internet users, by attacking a game which you identify with solely on the fact that you share outward appearances seems to me a bit hypocritical. the same thing you proclaim from your podium to appear as though your above the "losers" is exactly what your did when you attacked the game. except they are retaliating against you. the game cant defend itself. to attack society because obesity is associated with nothing good (healthwise, appearance wise) it doesnt take much to get into decent shape, go outside instead of ranting about a game that portrays fat ppl in a bad light. its not like you were born this way, its not your race or gender, you can change it as easily as you change clothes. you cant offend someone with something that is readily changeable.
your own personal self identification and lack of respect for someones art is deplorable. this self hate that youve written, to say that a game where you RESCUE a fat person is offensive and propagates hate of said fat ppl is ludicrous. your "homoaversion" aka self-hate is clear through this 2 day rant of yours. your audience will merely serve to embolden your position without you actually realizing that your position is one against fat ppl.
you make no sense in your argument no matter how hackneyed your approach may be. congrats in getting your site the biggest jump in viewership its EVER had. well played. but dont be a stubborn when ppl defend what they know, you did the _same thing_. theres no real way to attack you (well no one wants to bother bringing your site down, cuz well its fun to point and laugh). so you can relax in your chair enjoi a good read, and complain about more meaningful things like the fines that large ppl have to pay for airlines, movies, or why there are separate stores for big ppl (separate and in-equal i say) but you rail against a video game ... why i dont know. but way to take up this cause attacking root of corpulent abhorrence! way to win one for the team.
Hahahahahahahahahaha -- OMG -- does this fuckneck have any idea where he is?
BWHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!
Oh, god! *dies*
The poor ickle game! It needs protection from the big, fat, meany womenz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
*howls*
I think Snape uses root of corpulent abhorrence in one of his potions.
I have to get out those Bingo cards again. Is there a spot for 'No, YOU'RE the fat hater'? (Or under the present circumstances: 'No YOUR the fat hater'.)
What follows, of course, is: "BUT if they could change, they SHOULD. Or else we can make fun of them, too."
Way to show your privilege, there, morons.
no, that doesn't matter. WHY ARE YOU DUMM MEAN BITHEZ STARVING POOR PEOPLE?!?!
(good gads. the stupid, it burns! my eyes! the goggles! they do nothing!)
>
>Lack of cultural literacy makes zombie John Swift cry. :(
This is, without a doubt, the funniest thing I've read all month. Thank you so much for the loud, neighbor-scaring laugh!
He did, actually, in the second ep of this season. Those little baby adipose monsters with snagglefangs were absolutely adorable.
Carry on flaming.
I know, that's why I said it. ;-)
Oooo! Ooooo! BINGO!
:: snerk ::
Besides, if you choose to put people suffering from obese in a box, then normal or skinny people should also be considered groups, and everytime they are represented stereotypically, a bashing media hurricane should arrise. Why is that not the case?
Considering that she was hired by former presidential candidate John Edwards, it's pretty fucking safe to say that people already knew about this blog. The fact that 12 year old gamer boys didn't know about it is not too fucking surprising.
Try again, fuckneck.
Wow -- think we'll make 2000 by sundown?
i dunno. i kind of think they've all been shuttled off to dad's for the weekend, and he doesn't have internet, and his new wife is such a bitch and she's not their real mom and this totally sucks because she never lets them watch what they want on tv.
"i dunno. i kind of think they've all been shuttled off to dad's for the weekend,"
Either that, or we have finally. banned. them. all.
Nah, what was I thinking?
RE: Your comment.
Tom,
I see that you have taken some time and effort to compose and post what you feel is a compelling argument. So, to be fair I thought I should take some time and effort to thoughtfully consider said argument and I have come up with what I feel is an equally compelling rebuttal: *ahehehem*
YOUR A STUPIDHEAD! AND SO IZ YOU'RE MOM! AHAHAHAZ!!!
Thank you for your time and consideration of this matter.
Regards,
-Toonces
Shit! I need a structural engineer, STAT! Man the levees!
BECAUSE HOW WILL WE KNOW IT'S TRUE IF IT'S NOT IN CAPZ!?!?
What was the best part? Was it pathetic anger bread? Maybe. Or zombie John Swift? Heh, a strong contender for sure. I've got to find a way to work that into a conversation. Definitely all the trolls, taken as a whole, were amusing. I especially love the forty years old Ph.D. in astromespheric physics from a now defunct (or possibly never existing?) doctoral program in LA. So relevant to a discussion of feminism and fat-acceptance in 21st century video games. The bingo cards were awesome--thanks Esme! Or was it Elle? Oh please don't make me go back through 1900 comments to verify!
Wait, maybe it was the Grammar Police? That was awesome! Because if I can spot the grammar mistakes, and it bothers me, then the grammar is bad like whoa! I know that its/it's and your/you're were covered, but did anyone manage to get to their/there/they're? I recall that was a recurring mistake. But who can remember? I want all you grammar patrols to know how much I love you, Mustang Bobby, deeky, CE, Sarah in Chicago, PortlyDyke, others that I can't remember. I pictured every grammar smackdown wearing a Mexican wrestling mask, in Strong Bad's voice, with Trogdor huffing, waiting to burninate the peasants in their thatched-roof cottages, I mean trolls.
No, while all that was great, the best part of this thread has undoubtedly been:
FUUUUUUCCKKKNEEEEECCCKKK!!!!!11!!!1!!!!
I've got a new swear word. An awesome new swear word, with an awesome origin story even. (tattooed on his NECK??! Gold!) I must thank Graham, and deeky, for getting the ball rolling on that. And of course, PortlyDyke for picking it up. I shall endeavour to use it forthwith! (OH! Jupiter Grumbles was also an awesome part of this thread! And, I must admit I had to look up both abstemious and abstruse. But I did notice that abstemious sounded like abstain, but that couldn't be right, because then the smart smartie pants wouldn't make any sense! Sigh. I need to trust my instincts more. )
Unbelievable!
the way I see it is that in this site you are among your friends so whatever they say will not hut as much as they want it to hurt you
It's not hurting anyone at all - we're laughing at them. They've been dancing like trained elephants for our express amusement for three days, and they still don't seem to understand. I'm in awe.
You are a hypocrite.
Signed,
Anyone with intelligence.
P.S. You're also a fuckneck.
OMG Astraea -- I <3 U.
NOT ENOUGH GRUMBLES.
I can haz jellied eelz?
^____^
Mrs. Dalloway? Some old lady planning a party.
Beloved? OMG! That's not a classic! Why do we have to read this PC shit? Slavery is over, GET OVER IT IT'S NOT ALL ABOUT YOU!
WIN.
Other amazing literary criticisms from our dear trolls:
Lovesong of J. Alfred Prufrock - Mangina says a bunch of words
Lady Lazarus - Misandrist ball-breaker talks some shit.
Because I could not stop for Death - Bitch doesn't know how to rhyme, lulz.
Also, it's amazing how intensely strong the correlation is between being a troll and not being able to spell/punctuate/communicate functionally in English.
Love,
Another Fat Lesbo Bitch
Lady Lazarus - Misandrist ball-breaker talks some shit.
Because I could not stop for Death - Bitch doesn't know how to rhyme, lulz.
LOL! I could do this all day.
Lady Chatterly's Lover - PR0N!
A Doll's House - Stupid ugly bitch don't know what's good for her
Faust - Dude got pwned LOL
Exactamundo, my friend!
Oh, wait.
Just to help you out there:
Someone's personal blog = NOT the entirety of the United States. Go whine elsewhere.
I'm a feminist guy (just sayin'), and I think it would probably be more productive to, oh, I dunno, have non-trolls discuss *why* we think this is or isn't a problematic game. At the very least, that maybe wouldn't have spawned 2000 comments, almost none of which (ok, none of the first fifty or so, to be fair) were worth reading.
Sure, the link from gamepolitics.com might be the culprit as to why so many .... difficult individuals are coming here (this doesn't seem like their kind of site), so it's got to be a difficult job to remove them all, if the mods decided to do that.
Initially, I thought this game seemed quirky and amusing, but when I imagined a group of guys sitting around playing it, I decided that this would be a perfect venue for more misogynistic b.s. that my life is better off without. Solution? I'm not going to play it, let alone purchase it. I think that's the solution for pretty much anything on par with this.
Also: this flame war (and the original post) remind me that for some of us, sarcasm is difficult to perceive in text form. Yeah.
There is a helpful link to just such a discussion in the original post.
Reading is fundamental!
Sorry, I insist that you read this before I will even consider anything but massive derision and troll-smacking. Get back to me after you check it out.
Sorry, but criticism is not censorship. Try again.
A Doll's House - Stupid ugly bitch don't know what's good for her
Faust - Dude got pwned LOL
I wish we still had the smileys because LOFL
"If you look closely at every aspect of our society you will find offensive things to almost every minority. But learning to laugh with ourselves is what will liberate us..."
Yeah, siding with the oppressors is a GREAT way not to reinforce negative stereotypes and perpetuate hatred. You really don't understand the point of this thread, do you?
By the way, Blubbs, you really are a self-righteous fuckneck of the worst kind. You should be upset with the immorality of all the skinny people who guzzle food like there's no tomorrow, and then have the temerity NOT to store those extra calories as fat. THEY ARE WASTING THE CALORIEZ! Fatness does not correlate with immorality, ya fuckneck! People's caloric needs are not determined by you. People eat what they need to eat to keep their engines running. And if they choose to eat more than they supposedly need to, it's none of your fucking business. Arguably, you are using more electricity and bandwith than you need to, being on your computer and posting to this blog. You immoral shithead.
Get a fucking clue.
And PIE for the win. STILL.
Here trolly trolly trolly. Here trolly trolly trolly.
Mary, I tried that. It doesn't work. They must know that trick.
mmmm, tastes like babies.
LOL!
What!? When they've only repeated their "points" a trillion times, rather than the customary nonillion?
Breaking Time-Honored Tradition in this manner will shred the very fabric of Troll Society! These lay-abouts must be dealt with, and dealt with sharply, I say!
If there were ever a time to light the Grumbles Signal, now is that moment, my fine friends! I shall fetch the baby oil and the matches and climb to the top of Fuck Mountain to kindle it post-haste!
Oh Mighty Moustaches of Propriety -- come to our aid!
Ridicule or Ignore?
Trash talking cuss-mouthed insults or Good Will Hunting-style tearing down of the already fragile, fragile egos.
Lady Chatterly's Lover - PR0N!
A Doll's House - Stupid ugly bitch don't know what's good for her
Faust - Dude got pwned LOL
LOL, Astraea! Man, there is so much of Teh Clever in this thread.
Deconstructing Logical Fallacy or Analyzing Exposed Emotional Vulnerabilities?
"How 'bout them apples?" or help him out of his soiled trousers?
Dripping Sarcasm or Snide-ass Superiority?
Hmmm...
Actually be a troll on this thread, or actually be a murderous werewolf.
Being stupid and not understanding why people make fun of you OR being clearly superior and not being able to make feminists understand you?
Fangs or Claws?
Wolfman or Remus Lupin?
Marriage of Convenience or Completely Out of the Closet?
Sirius or James?
"Butter or Jam?"
"Nutella"
Then, you do what my ex called a plow-through. The question was there, you saw it, acknowledged it, then dynamited its ass.
Potions, or Summonings?
Invisible Cloak or Elder Wand?
Hmmmm. You're tough, young man. Upon consideration, Elder Wand.
Phoinix Feather, or Dragon Scale?
Ginny and Harry or Hermione and Ron?
[heteronormativity, here we fucking come, no pun intended]
Witch on Wizard sex -- Airborne, or Underwater?
Fuck, kids have no stamina these days. Attention spans of gnats. Geez.
You're an animagus. A centipede or a giraffe?
There. That out to bring them in.
Fried Ants in Troll Sauce, or Pathetic Anger Bread stuffed with Friend Ants?
Guacamole with Troll Chips or One Habanero pepper
Finely Diced Trolls, or Trolls Sliced into Recognizable Parts?
*chokes up, wipes a tear away*
Realistically....Steak or Cheesy Spinach Lasagna? (only five more comments people, after this one! ;)
OK -- that's 1995, I think.
For safety's sake, I think I'll abandon thread, now. Thanks for the game, Jackie me love!
Here we have only pie.
hey, fuckneck, we're all out of jellied eels. p.s. no one gives a shit what you think. get lost.
Sorry you didn't get the memo. The party was over like, 24 hours ago. Next time, maybe if you hang out with the popular kids, you might get here in time to have some fun. Cause that's what it's all about, right?
F-U-N.
Toodles!
The...the GAME proves that fat is caused by eating and laziness? Holy hell, a little virtual game has been able to do what even science, trying its best, could not! Hot damn, those are some powerful games!
And "unscrupulous eating?" Buh? I just had a bowl of French onion soup, a 3.5 ounce steak, and half a baked potato today. Problem? I ate it so unscrupulously that it's bound to make me fatter than I already am! Dammit, can you teach me the rules of "scrupulous" eating please so I can learn in what manner I'm supposed to put the food in my mouth so that I, too, can be thin? That would rock. TIA.
I've also just worked my seventh straight day and have 5 to go before I get one off. Can you teach me how to stop being so lazy, so that combined with my new scrupulous eating skillz I might even get hot enough to be a model?
Can we update the FAQ from this thread alone?
"What's so bad about being a feminist? It's not a fucking religion or being humorless, it's about equal rights.
I'm not trying to be sarcastic, but tell me what you think is so bad about it."
I didn't say there was anything bad about it, that it was a religion, or that it was humorless, just that I'm not one. I do believe in 100% equal treatment under the law for all people. And if I did think feminism was bad, I wouldn't come to a feminist blog and shit on it by saying "Blah! Feminism is bad!" That's just trolling, and just as I don't like to be trolled, I try not to troll others. I might disagree with X or Y but like I said, you don't go around doing that if you haven't bothered to understand what the person even means, which is what these people almost all did. And it's not really necessary for me to open my mouth every time I disagree with something either. It's not necessary for me and it's definitely not necessary for the people I might disagree with. In the context of a thread where people have been openly hostile for all the wrong reasons, it would be, IMO, trollish to find a minor disagreement about the OP (the one about the game) and then post it. All the regulars had fun doing some troll-tromping; that's what this was about and there's nothing wrong with that. The point I guess I had in mentioning it was that one doesn't have to be a feminist to think anti-feminist hate trolls are behaving like fucknecks (great word, btw) same as one doesn't have to be fat to object to the game. And that they ought to at least understand what they are objecting to instead of to strawmen (though actually there wasn't a whole lot of strawman stuff going on; mostly from what I can see, just open hostility.) But I appreciate you guys letting me post what I did; I thought it was good to have some excellent links in there regarding the stupid things that were being said about fat, its causes, its "cures" and so forth. Even if only a couple of them ever look.
There were a lot of bingos in here, and I definitely didn't read all the posts. Too bad there are no cash prizes.
just that I'm not one. I do believe in 100% equal treatment under the law for all people.
So do I tell you to shut up because I'm a man and legal equality doesn't prevent me socially or culturally pressuring you to get back in the kitchen, or do I tell you to shut up because you have decided that feminist is not something you'll own up to, in the hopes that the system telling you to get back in the kitchen and cook jellied ell for your family whilst eating small portions of anger bread to prevent your body being unappealing to teh menz will pass you by and wear down other people first? Which is it? Clueless or gutless? Dullard or coward?
All that's required for evil to flourish is for good people to say nothing.
If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the precipitate and shall be mocked.
How about you just don't tell her to shut up at all? That'd probably do a fuck of a lot more for feminism than lecturing an adult woman on what to think. But hey, you are A Man after all, so don't let me stop you.
Gee, what a shock. Mr. White Male Privilege agrees with Mr. White Male Privilege. One could set their watch to that level of predictability.
"My advice to you is to lighten up"
Got that, Liss, Mr. White Male Privilege gave you his completely useless, irrelevent and unsoliticted opinion. Better listen up! Or he'll post some more sexist bullshit.
Yeah, Liss. WHY WON'T YOU TALK ABOUT EVERYTHING SOME RANDOM FUCKER WANTS YOU TO?
I have never in my life met a person that took a game so seriously that they treated people different because of it.
Wait, what? Jesus, if some random fuckneck has never been affected by prejudice in our society, what are we even doing here? CLOSE THE BLOG.
IT'S YOU'RE. YOU ARE. LEARN IT, LOVE IT, HOPEFULLY PASS FIFTH GRADE WITH IT. but really, keep exposing yourselves for the mental midgets you are. i LOVE how the craziest assholes are usually the ones with the worst grammar and spelling skills. that tells me a lot.
As a side note, assholes hate fat girls... why do they keep trying to put their penis in me then? I've always thought it to be 1) the fact that all fat is attractive when you stick a nipple on it and 2) they assume fat women will have low self-esteem and allow themselves to be treated badly. They're always so surprised when I explain to them that they've selected the wrong fat girl.
Keep up the good work, Melissa!
Oh, you mean the plethora of assholes on this very thread who left their own troll droppings in support for this game, simply because Liss called it out? Reading is fundamental, asshole. Extract your cranium from your posterior and breathe the free air. You'll feel better, I promise.
OMG TROLLS.
Loves and hugs on all of the superbad shakers completely pwning the stupid trolls.
And I want my own little girlie crush on Melissa, too!
(relurk)
And it has exactly what to do with you?
people only poke other people when they show an honest interest in the effect of the poking.
I think it's trying to say something. I just *headtilt* cannot fathom what it might be.
It wouldn't be so offensive if you weren't concerned about your own self image in one way or another.
Like how homophobic jokes are only offensive when we gay people get too concerned about our self image, is this? I'm just trying to understand.
So lighten up, enjoy your life.
Oh, I am enjoying my life, fuckneck, I really am. Off you go.
Like this -
your: Often used in place of "you are". Attention morons (or "morans"), the correct contraction is "you're".
Why do racist sexist homophobic misogynists constantly mangle the rules of grammar? I haven't seen this many run-on sentences since George "Gimme that coke" Bush attempted to write his own speeches.
You should have seen the massive amount of broken crayons.
Weirdly enough, almost every occasion I encountered correct grammar utilization from a hatemonger, they turned out to be a crazy white supremacist.
On a side note I love how this site advocates "fat acceptance". This is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read. Here's a newsflash for ya: Being fat isn't healthy. It raises your risk for just about every disease you can think of and on top of that obesity related illnesses costs employers and individuals billions of dollars every year in this country. So why should we accept something that benefits no one and is detrimental to both the individual and society? What we should be advocating is exercise and a healthy diet (two things most Americans completely ignore) and this wouldn't be such a big problem.
You men make us all fat! Stop feeding us cake, bastards!
Could there have been other ways to do this game? Yes, but even so, if this game is such a problem for some, then why play it? I can understand why this may be a sensitive problem for women/the obese, but even so, I fail to see what's so negative about it; as far as I can tell it fails to make any such judgements about either of these two groups. In short, to me, it looks like somebody was try to be original with the "save the princess" routine by making the player the bad guy for once. That and you have to remember...the person who came up with all of this is a woman. So wouldn't it be a little weird to say this game is against women seeing as how it was developed by one?
Also as far as some of the white/male suppermist comments above, yeah, they are real idiots, but then again aren't there also black/female suppremist as well, and aren't they usually just as bad, if not worse than their counterparts (resulting to mudslinging and all that just because someone thinks different than they do)? I'm not doing any finger pointing; I'm just saying while it's a good idea to support you side/position, isn't it also a good idea not to become an elitist/bigot?
Could there have been other ways to do this game? Yes, but even so, if this game is such a problem for some, then why play it? I can understand why this may be a sensitive problem for women/the obese, but even so, I fail to see what's so negative about it; as far as I can tell it fails to make any such judgements about either of these two groups. In short, to me, it looks like somebody was try to be original with the "save the princess" routine by making the player the bad guy for once. That and you have to remember...the person who came up with all of this is a woman. So wouldn't it be a little weird to say this game is against women seeing as how it was developed by one?
Also as far as some of the white/male suppermist comments above, yeah, they are real idiots, but then again aren't there also black/female suppremist as well, and aren't they usually just as bad, if not worse than their counterparts (resulting to mudslinging and all that just because someone thinks different than they do)? I'm not doing any finger pointing; I'm just saying while it's a good idea to support you side/position, isn't it also a good idea not to become an elitist/bigot?
Look! Second- and Third-Wave Trolls!
Weirdly enough, almost every occasion I encountered correct grammar utilization from a hatemonger, they turned out to be a crazy white supremacist.
I remember being very weirded out when I looked up something about what plants dogs shouldn't eat or what foods are poisonous to dogs and the very first site on teh Googlez was a KKK site that was like, giving tips on keeping your dog (not a black one!!!) healthy. I felt like I found the place in the interwebs where it folds in on itself and we start going backwards in time.
BTW, those that are afeared of TEH STUPID WEAK VAGINAS OPPRESSING MEEEZ@! (and holy flying fucknecks@40 years ago it was better because there were no liberals and now they control everything...holeeeeee shit that is one seriously scary case of denial!) might be repressing something....
And for the record, I'm a woman. I just have enough self respect to take care of myself.
and if a woman sez stuff we gotta agree, cuz we iz teh wimminz tew!
And that EVERYONE who purchases this game is fueling said hateful propaganda?
lol, I don't think you're one to talk when it comes to stereotyping
PS What exactly ARE the hateful stereotypes in this game? That fat people eat a lot?? That fat people are heavy???
lol
JupiterPluvius sez: WE ARE ALL OUT OF PIE. HERE, WE ONLY HAVE JELLIED EELS.
And we find your pathetic attempts at a rational argument both inane and quite useless in their intended goal. Get over it, meep.
I CAN HAZ SELV AWARENEZ?
This is a video game....case and point, Being Fat...is unhealthy in itself , Forgive us for being men and being genetically dispositioned to want a healthy female with a healthy weight that will bear healthy children that do not weigh 1/4 of an elephant and have terrible eating habit's they learn from there mothers and or fathers. being fat IS UNHEALTHY I KNOW I USED TO BE FAT! but then guess what? i decided to get off my fat arse and do something other then complain and moan about how we need to accept people who are fat. If you don't want to get off your rear end and do something about being over weight fine but don't complain. Stop being such extremists about this its your choice to stay the size you are. Your obviously not happy with it otherwise you would not be trying to defend it so hard. the only other advice i can offer is Diet and exercise.
Obviously they do because you're baaaaawwwwiiiinnnggg about the game making them.
It doesn't incite you to hate on fat people, it doesn't mock fat people, its just an element of criativity that makes the game a bit more original.
People are being over-sensitive about this issue, when they have absolutely no reason for such a reaction to a harmless product.
On a side note, I love how some members of this blog are more willing to insulting the idiots around here (which is quite ironic) than to have a rational debate about the subject.
Basically, you're a hypocrite. And, a GIANT one are that. See, you get that one? It's a joke.
But, here's a few thoughts
-If you not only eat nothing but cake, but are stuffed full of it, you'd get fat, right? I'm assuming that's how it happened, but I'll let you tell me in your next post.
-Maybe the people who made the game knew that not only would it get laughs out of people who think that a group of CARTOONish videogame characters stuffing the captured enemy princess in a CARTOON-esque scheme to make her too heavy to carry (Fat=weight, lots of weight=heavy, in case that somehow eluded you or any other feminists) but also from people able to laugh at themselves (AKA: Fat people who aren't stuck up their own fat asses, like that guy who posted on Destructoid), and also get press from, yes, peole just like YOU and you feminist friends. So, congrats on helping the monster you hate in that respect. I wasn't even going to buy Fat Princess before I read a few of these articles, but now I will because I've actually been exposed to the game, and it sounds fun. Oh, and I despise people like you, and would do anything to anger them.
But, maybe I'm being to harsh. Calling all of you feminist is probably making me sound sexist, even though the line between the two seems to be incredibly thin nowadays. Maybe the people who made this game actually intended for there to be malice, and to hurt you and some other select few's feelings. Maybe the developers even planned on taking that further and hope that they will form a new tyrannical regime of fat hating, skinny, evil people who will make you and other feminist's lives living hell by posting on their blogs with comments they are unable to rebut from. And, however accurate that last one sounds, don't read too much into it. It wasn't the company who made Fat Princess that got me to post this, it was YOU. But, you probably won't read this anyways. So I'll mail it later. You'll have to forgive any spelling mistakes, It's a bit late and I just had to do this, I have equally as little of a life as you do that I feel I need to post something like this.
I've been enjoying this thread (Carolyn, I love you and want your internet babies) and being reminded of so many other previous battles of wits where only one side (the home team) appears to be even vaguely armed. Thanks for so much pleasant nostalgia.
"Irony's zombie is shooting itself in the head." LOLOLOLOLOL!
I'm sorry that human civilization isn't what you think it should be, but all the whiney blogging in the world isn't going to change anything.
Neither is this game.
The common view of fat people isn't going to be affected by a videogame. It's not like we're talking about some high-profile, mega-budgeted blockbuster. This is a bargain-bin title at best.
And I honestly think that any influence the game might have on young people would be positive. Perhaps it will encourage our children to be healthier. I know, that's way too much to hope for, but if you're going to be a caustic, whiney Fem0ffended-tron 5000 then I should be allowed my unrealistic ideals too.
Here's a tidbit of wisdom: enjoy your 15 minutes of internet fame.
See, the object of the game is to KEEP the princess. And into doing so, the princess is made fatter. So having a fat princess is a good thing. So, you know, you would do well to have a fat princess, wich is technically in favor of fat femmes, not against them. I know, that still "is mysoginist". But it's not, as you said, an a-hole indoctrination program.
And just between you and me, with the way your country is going, it's gonna be pretty dangerous to hate fat people;]
I'd figure someone who portends to be as educated as you do would at least pick up a thesaurus to come up with a real stinger.
"Does it make it better or worse that the concept artist (who designed the look, characters, everything) is a girl?"
http://videogames.yahoo.com/feature/feminists-c...
lolfattyfeminists get a fucking life
in the game, a person eats cake and gets fatter. that person then gets so fat they need to be carried by other people. the setting is a cartoon universe, so it all happens in an exaggerated manner, but nothing about this seems offensive to me.
the person in question is a princess, which follows the fairytale plot staple of rescuing a princess from peril. would this game be less offensive if it were a king or prince instead? I am trying to understand at what point this game conceptually crosses the line in the minds of those of you who find this offensive. so if this is a sexism issue, I still disagree, but I see the point.
also, it would be a different situation if the objective were to feed the princess to fatten her up, at which point the enemy would no longer want to recovery her because she is fat and thus undesirable. but that isn't the case. a person is fed fattening junk food, they get fatter, and eventually they are fat enough to have a hard time getting around. I don't see at what point this game vilifies fat people.
Do it like Usenet ftw.
1): Why do you girls/fatty feminists/fatties/feminazis care, it's just a game
2): Being fat isn't healthy, everybody knows that/this game proves that/the fact that I don't like fat chicks proves it's SCIENCE!
3): I'm a woman and I think it's stupid to be this upset about a game
4): Lose some weight, fatties! Or, for the concern trolls: "Lose some weight, fatties! I did so I know you can too!"
5): You realize you're hurting your movement by being so ANGRY about these things!
6): I don't like fat chicks so that proves it's science that nobody likes fat chicks therefore put down the donut and start a diet
I know I could go on, but really I'm probably just repeating Esme's bingo card, non?
1. You're fat, you're proud of it. If that were true, you wouldn't be so upset about a stupid video game. It IS just a game.
2. You're unhappy with your weight and spend your time writing blogs that only leave people wondering: "If she's so unhappy with her weight, wouldn't her time be better spent dieting and exercising than writing a stupid blog about a stupid video game?"
I mean really, blogs are so early 2000's. It's time to come face to face with the fact that nobody gives a shit about your opinion. If you don't like your weight, CHANGE. If you're truly happy with who you are, a video game shouldn't even put a dimple in your ego (but obviously it has).
I don't know what you are talking about. As far as I know, everyone around here would love to see more queens in video games.
But, you should be so grateful for the attention, remember?
and yet here you are (with 2000 of your troll friends) feeling the need to comment. ummm yeah, no one cares.
*lol* Goodness, you bigot trolls are fraking dumb. 2000+ comments on this thread alone, your constant, desperate fear that she's is influential, and your constant desperate need to try and silence us proves that not only do quite a lot of people care what Liss thinks, so you do. And that scares you.
ha!
It's taken me four days to read all of this because my browser kept crashing, but? So. Worth. It. I hope this thread becomes legendary. Some of the funniest phrases on Teh Intarwebz, and that's just the unintentional humor from the Trollomatic frenzy. (Seriously, learn to logic.) The Shakers' responses? ROCK. I've been laughing myself giddy for days about jellied eel, paging Mr. Male Privilege, Squirrel Splut Surprise, his hand is having headaches, concern troll bingo, etc etc etc. Best game of Whack-a-Troll EVAR. Not only that, but it's given me as an email list-owner a bunch of food for thought (especially about concern trolls) and some brilliant new strategies. Thank you, Shakers all; thank you, thank you, thank you! MWAH!
/relurk
I didn't read all the comments, but let me just point out something:
If you don't care about all the nerds calling you names and poking fun at your poor diet, why on earth would you care about care about a video game?
Wouldn't that be some form of Q.E.D?
Someone made a game where feeding a princess is a mechanic. If it was called Fat King, you wouldn't give a flying fuck, but because it's about an overweight female, suddenly its a hate game.
If it were about trying to get rid of the overweight princess, you might have a case on your hands, but you're grasping at straws here. This isn't an offensive game, just a clever game mechanic that happens to include overweight females.
1. Instead of saving the princess who has been fattened, you decide to leave her because she is now too fat and ugly.
2. Get rid of the whole fat concept and make her a typical gaming stereotype in a bikini with giant tits.
Honestly, what would you have the developers do instead? If anything, the game is saying that even fat, unattractive princesses are worth saving.
getting all upset over some simulated cartoon violence? PETA would be proud.
getting all upset over some simulated cartoon violence? PETA would be proud.
"If it was called Fat King, you wouldn't give a flying fuck, but because it's about an overweight female, "
Read the blog before making statements are incorrect as this. It makes you look dumb.
"Honestly, what would you have the developers do instead? "
how about making a game in which women aren't objects? Whoa!
"I just can't help but think that the Fat Princess shouldn't really be offensive because she IS fat. "
It might help if you ever thought, you know, at all.
And lastly,
Who takes the time to post twice about something they're unconcerned about. Dumbass.
This is exactly how I feel about fat girls! Doesn't look like this blogger's missed too many meals, either.
So was blackface. Doesn't mean it's no offensive.
but yeah, fat princess looks pretty cool.
I can deal with a generation of sociopathic murderers playing rape simulators for points, but to try and rescue a fat chick from a dungeon?!?!?! UNACCEPTABLE!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh yeah, the comments section here is pure gold. Self-righteous know it all's who will tell someone they're self-loathing because they're fat while getting pissed off someone is making fun of fat people. Awesome.
You're absoluetely terrified of women with opinions, aren't you. *lol*
"I'm not even going to bother pointing out what's wrong in your argument about what's wrong with Fat Princess as it's completely wrong."
Thanks for letting the whole world know what a brainless coward you are.
C'mon lil boyz, I'm sure your dumb bigot asses can do better than this.
Keep the stupid coming, fucknecks. Just don't kid yourselves that there's an original thought between the lot of you.
*lol* Stupid trolls are fun to poke. They get so upset so easily and then make total asses of themselves.
Fact: Being overweight does not increase the risk for any diseases or any forms of cancer.
Fact: Overweight people are overweight because they are predetermined to be, not because they eat junk food.
Fact: If you are predetermined to be overweight, don't bother with diet or excercise. It won't work.
Source: Google
No. There aren't. There aren't any black/female supremacists, either.
and aren't they usually just as bad, if not worse than their counterparts (resulting to mudslinging and all that just because someone thinks different than they do)?
No. Since no such people exist, because there's no SUCH THING as "reverse" sexism/racism, then, no.
I'm not doing any finger pointing;
*cough*
I'm just saying while it's a good idea to support you side/position, isn't it also a good idea not to become an elitist/bigot?
So, making remarks on one's own blog, denouncing bigotry, is bigotry? Oh, gotcha. Makes all kinds of sense now.
Pffffft.
*sigh* If only we could find a way to convert stupid into electricity.
yes.
It's not Melissa's fault you're stupid.
Its not like the game is meant to be taking seriously, and I think that you're putting a little too much thought into this game.
Doubt you would say a damn thing if the "Fat King."
I'm sure the developers included the bullet point "Piss off the feminists" in their original mission statement during pre-development.
This game was made to piss off feminists just like Resident Evil 5 was made for racism.
no one cares what you think, tomat.
I mean, if you were an actual thinking person and not just a bored dumbass troll.
Now they have "I'm curnfyoooooooosed, duhr" on a loop, FFS. *yawn*
Learn to troll. (And also to type and to read. That shit's been done to death on this site alone.)
Translation: Whaddya mean, the Colbert Report is satire?
Guess what that means? YOU'RE A RACIST AND A SEXIST, fuckneck. And apparently, one that can't be arsed to read Feminism 101's policy on off-limits humor.
Learn to wit.
but i can't help but point out that "your" is not an adjective, my fellow grammar-y friends. it's a determiner, like a, the, an, twelve, some, etc.
i have a purple cat.
*i have a your cat.
at least someone understands what this thread is for!
No, Betty, they can't. :( Is our children learning? Magic 8-Ball says, "It seems unlikely."
wow feminists really are as funny as i thought.
So you're allowed to have princesses in video games. You're allowed to have fat people in games. But put the two together and all of a sudden that's encouraging a "new generation of fat-hating, heteronormative assholes". Unbelievable.
The point of the game is to RESCUE the princess. Now, if the goal of the game was to kill the opposing team's princess, then I could the reason for controversy. Even then it's still being blown out of proportion.
Here's the scoop: Video games are meant to be fun. Do you really think that they sat down at the brainstorming meeting and said "Let's make it about rescuing a fat princess! That'll show them fatties!" No. They're trying to do something a little different and are getting shat all over for it.
If you really are so sensitive that a video game with a fat princess insults you, I think you need re-evaluate your priorities and get some perspective in life.
It's funny to watch the gamers sling insults at the people who agree with the OP, and the people who agree sling them back (albeit more sarcastically). You're all fighting. On the internet. Why? Because a fat person doesn't like a game with a fat person in it. Well, many people didn't like The Nutty Professor with Eddie Murphy, but we didn't need to launch a full-out forum war.
Whatever happened to, "I disagree with that person". I mean, do we have to make everything a crusade to the point where rational opinion and logical thought (like the post by Leigh at kotaku.com) get lost in all of the white noise? Honestly, watching two different types of cultures (immature gamer kidz vs. fat lesbos as each side would like to call the other), hurl insults at each other makes us all look bad.
In the end, the person dislikes a product because she thinks it makes people have a low regard for fat people. I personally disagree with this notion because there doesn't seem to be anything malicious in the intent. It's not exactly like they are killing the princess (except for maybe diabetes). If it had been a dog or prince or whatever-maguffin-you-want-it-to-be, would it still be as bad?
Video games, since the 80's have been founded one idea: rescue your girlfriend/princess from the evil doers. Mario did it. Ico did it. Now there is a game with a new twist on that old cliche. It doesn't reinvent the wheel, but it certainly wont make a new generation of heteronormative assholes. Leave that to the Hills and Hannah Montana.
PS. I like Sony.
PSS. I want to play fat samus Metroid prime.
If only I could get my own mom to post in this thread, the circle would truly be complete.
And if you've really read anything I've written about this game and thought I was "insulted," then you need to take remedial reading comprehension.
I'm not offended; I'm contemptuous.
Well then. We'll just get on that re-evaluating and perspectivating.
Thanks for your concern.