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Re: A Thought Occurs

DWWWW — Sun, 07 Sep 2008 19:48:00 -0000

I just checked out the quiverfull dot com link. Scary!

The unfortunate things is these people don't have children, they BREED.

Re: This election is about issues

Hawise — Sun, 07 Sep 2008 19:47:56 -0000

"And if unborn "persons" are citizens of the United States, then this law says they have to be counted in the apportionment of representatives. Geez, talk about activist judges. "

That would also influence electoral college votes, so the question would have to be how do you count unborn citizens when apportioning representatives and electoral college votes? Is it based on census data which would be out of date faster considering fertility rates? I'd hate to be the one trying to work all the angles into the legislation and still try to eliminate anchor babies. I'm considered fairly bright but trying to explain that to voters to get an amendment passed seems pretty much of a stretch. So this leaves me to believe that the whole point of the plank in the GOP platform is to hoodwink so-called values voters into backing the party that promises to do the impossible.

Re: OMG Shoez!!!

car — Sun, 07 Sep 2008 19:42:49 -0000

Free range shoez are more colorful and have much more sass than industrially farmed shoez. They also feel better to walk in. Unfortunately, they do cost more.

Re: OMG Shoez!!!

Chromosome Crawl — Sun, 07 Sep 2008 19:42:40 -0000

heee heee - I loved this the moment I got my copy. Needless to say, that image is now in my "pile" awaiting to be used as collage material!

And how trained am I that my first thought was "OMG, shoez!"......LOL!

Re: Your Most Obsequious Servant

JupiterPluvius — Sun, 07 Sep 2008 19:35:14 -0000

And it's made all the more odious by the fact that she didn't even issue an ultimatum herself---it was issued for her by a male campaign official.

Yes.

If I were Sarah Palin, I would be at least as worried about the people on "my" side who were positioning me as the Special Delicate Princess Who Must Be Protected by the Menz/Official Hot Chick (TM) of the Republican Party as I would about my opponents.

This is crazy, crazy doubletalk. "She's tough! She's super-tough! She's a barracuda, and she's ready to lead! But she's not going to talk to the press until you all agree to play nice!"

Re: A Thought Occurs

Chromosome Crawl — Sun, 07 Sep 2008 19:33:36 -0000

"As far as I can see every one of the vile bits in this party line is in service of legalizing a biblical patriarchy. It always has been. It is not about the babies. I think that is just a smokescreen to enlist the tenderhearted, and especially the women, in a campaign to recoup patriarchy's losses"

DING DING DING -- And Anita wins for 10,000 points!

I'd like the above printed as a bumpersticker, plz! Please don't mince words on our account.

Re: Your Most Obsequious Servant

elle_g — Sun, 07 Sep 2008 19:31:45 -0000

I'm curious as to whom Lee thought said "I am not a crook."

Re: I Am an Insurgent

seeker6079 — Sun, 07 Sep 2008 19:31:22 -0000

Considering how threats of violence against women have been used to keep us "in check" for centuries, I'm really uncomfortable with this idea.

That's why it's sad, uncivilized and depressing, Broce. Bear in mind that I'm not advocating it, I'm merely pointing out that our oft-limited capacities as social beings often make such actions inevitable in response to behaviour which seems to deliberately tread on the dignity and expectations of others. Simple fact is, people who push for their rights are often kept in check with violence or the threat thereof. Conversely, people who run roughshod over the rights of others are also often only kept in check with violence or the threat thereof.

I don't think that we can argue against a basic premise, though: assholes will continue to be assholes and to maximize the selfish benefits of being assholes up to the point where there is pushback that impacts on them. At a low level it is being decked in a bar for using a vulgar proposition. At higher levels it is acting for social and legislative and on-the-ground actions and change which marginalize assholish behaviour, to breed it out of the body politic, as it were.

What was it that Douglass said? "Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will..." ? Demands just take different forms, some of which are dirty and uncivilized and make the better angels of our nature feel soiled and guilty. The question is one of necessity, in part, but "necessity" is in and of itself a bit like a gun: very easy to use and very easy to misuse, a vehicle of both survival and cruelty.

I suppose that, in the end, one must simply avoid being tempted by the easy route. I've met a lot of semi-primitives in my time who really, really deserved a smack in the face, and, sadly, it was the only thing they understood. But I don't do things like that and can't accept them because, amongst other things, I don't want a black uniform with silver piping growing on my soul. Who the hell am I to make calls like that? Kinda like the death penalty, really. It is intellectually possible to recognize that state-sanctioned murder is wrong whilst simultaneously recognizing that, yes, some bastards do deserve to swing and the world will be a better place without their presence.

[/end sophomore musing]

In the end, I think that the simple point that I was making was that sometimes big jerks are sometimes surprised by people treating them like they treat others and that isn't necessarily a bad thing.

Re: Your Most Obsequious Servant

lavendertook — Sun, 07 Sep 2008 19:29:39 -0000

Why *wouldnt* they expect this? It's been given to the current administration for 8 years.

Good point.

Re: Your Most Obsequious Servant

LizardOC — Sun, 07 Sep 2008 19:29:36 -0000

We are through the looking-glass.

And it's made all the more odious by the fact that she didn't even issue an ultimatum herself---it was issued for her by a male campaign official.

Re: McCain Stinks

vern livingston — Sun, 07 Sep 2008 19:28:15 -0000

i agree and couldn't have said it better

Re: Your Most Obsequious Servant

Irim — Sun, 07 Sep 2008 19:27:39 -0000

Lee,

You claim to hate us, yet you keep coming back. Are you sure you're not secretly in love with us and kind of wish you'd loosen up enough to think for yourself and be one of us?

Re: This election is about issues

angryyoungwoman — Sun, 07 Sep 2008 19:23:45 -0000

I was raised in a really, really conservative family and so I, as much as the republican platform scares the hell out of me, I know the culture it comes from. I remember my mom going into detail about "partial-birth" abortion at the dinner table (very inaccurately, but wev), I remember her explaining that Hitler invented abortion (it didn't seem to occur to her that abortion had been around since pregnancy was around). My dad was convinced that all gay men were child molesters. They were scared to death of these things. Feminists were feminazis. Women needed to be wives and mothers. My parents were smart people, but very stupid about these things. I think this is how the republicans are--they just cannot see any segment of the population except their own. They cannot fathom that their are other opinions that are just as valid as their own.

Re: Your Most Obsequious Servant

DWWWW — Sun, 07 Sep 2008 19:19:45 -0000

I hope Lee never stops commenting here lest we forget why a place like Shakesville is even necessary.

"I am not an ignoramus!"

Re: Your Most Obsequious Servant

MustangBobby — Sun, 07 Sep 2008 19:19:06 -0000

I'm having a pair of bejeweled kneepads FedEx'd to Mr. Gibson so he'll be prepped for the interview.

Re: This election is about issues

Sniper — Sun, 07 Sep 2008 19:16:23 -0000

Also, is it just me or does anyone else think "the undead" when they hear the word "unborn?"

Well, geez, I will now.

Re: Your Most Obsequious Servant

lavendertook — Sun, 07 Sep 2008 19:15:13 -0000

A McCain-Palin adviser says an interview was offered to ABC's Charlie Gibson several days ago and that they expect it to happen in the latter part of the week in Alaska

ABC spokespersons: WE ARE NOT WORTHY!!! WE ARE NOT WORTHY!!!

Re: Your Most Obsequious Servant

MustangBobby — Sun, 07 Sep 2008 19:13:21 -0000

"I am not a crook."

Lee, you ignorant troll, those famous words were uttered by Richard Nixon. Your hero. And role model.

Re: I Am an Insurgent

Broce — Sun, 07 Sep 2008 19:12:02 -0000

Only the thought of being keyed or towed or slugged keeps them in check. Sad, uncivilized, depressing, but true

Considering how threats of violence against women have been used to keep us "in check" for centuries, I'm really uncomfortable with this idea.

Re: Your Most Obsequious Servant

matttbastard — Sun, 07 Sep 2008 19:09:51 -0000

Looks like the McCain campaign finally stumbled upon someone in the national news media who is willing to show due deference:

Republican vice presidential running mate Sarah Palin is offering her first televised interview to ABC News in the coming week in Alaska.

[...]

A McCain-Palin adviser says an interview was offered to ABC's Charlie Gibson several days ago and that they expect it to happen in the latter part of the week in Alaska

$10 bucks sez it takes place on September 11th, with all the hagiographic fixins.

Re: Quote of the Day

DWWWW — Sun, 07 Sep 2008 19:06:44 -0000

You hate liberals, but you keep comin' back. Again and again. Maybe you really just hate yourself. And if you went away, who would we have to infuriate with our PC-ness? We exist only for you, Lee, only for YOU.

Re: Your Most Obsequious Servant

YoungFeminist — Sun, 07 Sep 2008 19:02:54 -0000

"If Hillary had waited until they treated her with respect, well we'd never hear from her again."

If Hillary did this, there would have undoubtedly been murmurs of how a woman really isn't capable of running for office, how's she's not "tough" enough to handle the challenges of the presidency. Undoubtedly, both Sarah and Hillary deserve respect, but if you're going into politics you have a responsiblity to face the media and answer tough questions.

Re: Your Most Obsequious Servant

noillusions — Sun, 07 Sep 2008 19:02:09 -0000

wow, my husband called it as soon as the 17 yr old came out as preggie... Saying that the media would be betrayed as the bad guy, even though those who own the media support John McCain, so that is the farce, so that Palin and McCain will continue to get a free Pass on all their lies and deceit ...

Re: Your Most Obsequious Servant

Broce — Sun, 07 Sep 2008 18:55:09 -0000

"until the point in time when she'll be treated with respect and deference."

Why *wouldnt* they expect this? It's been given to the current administration for 8 years.

Re: Quote of the Day

Lee — Sun, 07 Sep 2008 18:51:41 -0000

Stop being so weak and malleable.

Treat people like adults. If something you wrote upsets someone, they are adult enough to deal with it. Let free-thinking rational adults decide whether to read or not.

This is what PC leads to. Censorship in the name of not wanting to offend or upset.

All of liberalism upsets me. You don't see me requesting that you all go away. On the contrary, Shakesville will make an excellent museum piece of "TheAmerican Liberal, 1848-2008"